Failing to connect the dots

  1. Great story on ABC's Nightline TV show re today's release of congressional report investigating 9/11 tragedy and failure of intelligence commnity to connect the dots....
    Maybe more nurses need to join FBI since we have that sixth sense aka "pattern recoginition" and often interene on pts behalf to prevent medical tragedy's/death.


    Assembling the Puzzle
    Thursday, July 24
    The greatest intelligence shortcoming leading up to Sept. 11, 2001, was a failure to connect the available dots, according to a just-released congressional report that tries to figure out the missed signals. Such observations are always easier in hindsight. What was ignored?
    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Wo...sed030724.html

    Congressional Reports: Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001
    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html
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  2. 34 Comments

  3. by   passing thru
    Remember they were all riveted by Clinton and the dress stain?

    And after that, the missing intern, ----------------------what's her name and the Caliornia representative ,,,, Condit or something?

    Sex, interns..extra-marital affairs............those are the CIA's & FBI's "DOTS".
  4. by   Tilleycs
    The thing I don't think people realize is that these are bits of information picked out from the MILLIONS of bits of information that this organization gets on a WEEKLY basis. I'm sure they could have done a better job, but I'm sure most of us could, too. It's easy to "armchair quarterback" and criticize other people's work/performance, and I agree with Karen's suggestion about nurses joining - if people think they can do a better job, go do it.
  5. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Tilleycs
    It's easy to "armchair quarterback" and criticize other people's work/performance, and I agree with Karen's suggestion about nurses joining - if people think they can do a better job, go do it.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Tilley has it right. People armchair quarterback and second guess our jobs as nurses daily. Walk a mile in their mocassins, like the old cliche goes. We live and we LEARN right????? At least we HOPE to learn.
  7. by   passing thru
    Remember though, these are "professionals". They have access to state of the art technology and every fact-finding aid available, PLUS..... the "people at the top" have thousands of employees sifting thru "the millions of bits" of communication information coming down the pike.

    If we do not hold them to ANY STANDARD....
    no '''EXPECTED OUTCOME?""

    then, why bother to give those departments and agencies MILLIONS in our tax dollars every year??

    The "thousands of employees " sifting thru the "millions of bits"
    did their jobs and did them well.

    The CRITICAL information reached CIA decision makers-- the executives desks....and laid there. DOD - - dead on the desk.

    The # 1 JOB of government is to protect the citizens from attack.

    Our government, despite the latest technology, adequate budgets & lotsa $$$, huge CIA and FBI agencies nationwide, miserably failed the American people on
    9-11.

    It has been in the news, and all over the Sunday morning Meet the Press, and similar shows, that they DID HAVE the information right in front of them...on their desks, and failed to respond.

    One minor example, the airfield manager in Florida who alerted the FBI that Saudi's in unusual #'s were taking flying lessons and SHOWED NO INTEREST IN LEARNING HOW TO TAKE OFF AND LAND.
    A similar report from a flight school from Arizona was called to their local FBI.

    People all over the country were reporting suspicious activities,
    Personally , call it hindsight, armchair whatever....

    I agree with most of the nation that the information gatherers' did their jobs. .....
    It was the big shots in Washington who dropped the ball and;

    were able to dodge ACCOUNTABILITY.....

    a gullible public was fed reams of explanations about, ""Well, there is just tens of thousand of BITS OF INFORMATION that comes into our agency EVERY DAY ....... (WHINE)

    and the public sympathized with the big shots, ""you poor thangs....""

    when, in actuality, the underlings performed their sifting and reporting
    duties "TO PERFECTION."

    If we did our jobs like the CIA big shots did theirs in 2000-2001, we would have been out the door !
  8. by   passing thru
    The gist of what I am saying IS:

    It wasn't the excuse they fed us:

    ""the millions of bits of paper""

    that allowed 9-11 to happen.
  9. by   passing thru
    The dots WERE connected and lying on their desks.

    All that was required was A DECISION...

    NOT one of them had the cajones to call the presidents office, Powell, the dept. of defense, and say,

    "I think we could be at risk for a subversive attack."

    (The old ego/image was at stake.)
  10. by   SharonH, RN
    That creepy Dick Morris was on the "The Daily Show" a couple of days ago. According to him, it was all Clinton's fault and this all could have been avoided if only everyone had listened to him. Regardless of whose to blame, I would feel a lot better if positive changes were made to prevent a future tragedy. Otherwise, it is pointless to point fingers. Unfortunately, I have seen a lot of action taken in the name of protection from terrorism that is really self-serving and which goes against the ideals of our great country. And that is almost as big of a tragedy as 9-11.
  11. by   Q.
    Remember though, these are "professionals". They have access to state of the art technology and every fact-finding aid available...
    So are we professionals, and so do "we" have access to state of the art technology etc to do our jobs - or so the public may think. Doesn't make our job that much easier and healthcare is STILL messed up.
  12. by   KidsLuvMe
    I think the gov saw it as an opportunity to gain even more control.
    Let's say that (being a superpower afraid of loosing control) you could convince people to give up their rights and submit to more stringent laws and lawful actions... Would you take the chance at "making a mistake" to get this, or would you do the right thing for the people?

    You would have said that was impossible or unimaginable before, but now all you have to do is say terrorism or security and there's that little twinkle of understanding in everyone's eyes that says, "Oh yes, please do whatever you have to do, take whatever you need, I just don't want to live in fear"

    Example:
    Pre 9-11:
    US GOV:
    We need to disarm Iraq of their weapons of mass destruction.

    US People (majority):
    What weapons of mass destruction (possibly even laughing)? Maybe we should think this over... how is this going to help us? How much will this cost us (lives and money)?

    Post 9-11
    US GOV:
    We need to disarm Iraq of their WMD.

    US People (majority):
    OH please do Mr. Pres. I trust that you are on our side and that the whole world is out to get us. It doesn't matter the cost or the consequences, just because you said threat and terrorism and played on our emotions of 9-11 you could take over any country you want to and we will cheer in the name of security.

    Our government defines the word corruption and is found in the thesuarus as a synonym for deception.

    Trust is another word for fear. Anti-trust is another way to say loosing control.

    I was one of the suckers that believed all the WMD hype. I support our troops but I want them to come back NOW.
  13. by   Q.
    Originally posted by KidsLuvMe

    I was one of the suckers that believed all the WMD hype.
    I'm just curious....did you believe it pre- 9/11 when Clinton made that very claim? Or did you only believe it post- 9/11?
  14. by   roxannekkb
    So are we professionals, and so do "we" have access to state of the art technology etc to do our jobs - or so the public may think. Doesn't make our job that much easier and healthcare is STILL messed up.
    Healthcare is messed up because non-medical people are in charge of it. Bean counters and corporate greed control it, so all the state of the art technology and professionalism on the part of healthcare staff just isn't going to cut it. The situation with our intelligence agencies is quite different. They are in control of it, and this is their one and only task--their entire reason for being.

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