Does pay gap between soldiers and defense CEOs bother you?

  1. Soldiers die, CEOs prosper
    By Derrick Z. Jackson, Globe Columnist | August 30, 2006

    MORE THAN 2,600 US soldiers have died in Iraq. July's toll for Iraqi civilians was 3,500, the deadliest month of the US occupation. Iraq's civil war is on pace to kill 25,000 to 30,000 civilians by year's end. If you add in the tens of thousands of deaths from the 2003 invasion (we do not know the exact number because the Pentagon won't comment), researchers will inevitably say that the body count has crossed 100,000.

    All of this madness to stop a madman, Saddam Hussein

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...il_to_a_friend
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  2. 9 Comments

  3. by   TheCommuter
    I agree with your wonderful post. In addition, I'm sure that very few politicians have sons or daughters serving in this so-called 'war on terror'.
  4. by   nuangel1
    i could not agree with both of you more.well said commuter.
  5. by   jnette
    Thanx, Space. Loved this last line in particular:

    "democracies decay when one segment of society flourishes at another's expense." Leondar-Wright said, ``It is now at the point where we have lost any sense of proportion. There is no sense of shared sacrifice, no sense that we're all in this together. Spreading democracy to Iraq is far-fetched when defense and oil CEOs speed its decay at home. They are all in it for themselves, at our expense."
  6. by   Roy Fokker
    Do you think it's right that Managers earn more than staff nurses?
    That's the basic argument - and you can apply that to any profession.

    Do you think it's right that Sergeants make more than Corporals? Or Majors make more than Captains? Or Generals make more than Brigadiers?


    See, this is a hard argument to make.
    Are we calling for a "Each from his own ability and to each, his own need" type of argument?

    If we were talking conscription - I could probably see a point.
    But nobody is forcing anyone to serve.
    And don't get me wrong - I'm not "weighing" one life against another. That's not the issue here.

    Besides - a grunt's life is always cheap to the bean counters Trust me, the US armed forces are the best paid in the whole world - but this issue is endemic to armed services the world over. You'll never see the guy/girl at the sharp end of the lance make as much money as you think his/her life is worth. I made a pitance as a sergeant in the Reserves - barely covered even a weeks expenses.

    That's the reason people in general prefer civillian service over military because the pay and benefits weighed against cost and risk are usually better. Civillians will almost always make better money than their military counterparts.


    This is our capitalist society. And as the irrascible Winston Churchill once put it "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery".


    What I DO think as an "issue" that deserves attention is the fleecing of government coffers by dishonest dorporations. Now please realise, I am of the general opinion that the only function of Governemnt is to protect the rights of individual citizens.

    THAT'S IT!

    As some of you might know by now, I don't like Government. Not just Republican Government. Or Democrat Government. Government itself.

    But stuff like Custer Battles LLC being let off on a technicality really really really really really frustrates me.
    Last edit by Roy Fokker on Aug 31, '06
  7. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    This is our capitalist society. And as the irrascible Winston Churchill once put it "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery".


    What I DO think as an "issue" that deserves attention is the fleecing of government coffers by dishonest dorporations. Now please realise, I am of the general opinion that the only function of Governemnt is to protect the rights of individual citizens.

    THAT'S IT!

    As some of you might know by now, I don't like Government. Not just Republican Government. Or Democrat Government. Government itself.

    But stuff like Custer Battles LLC being let off on a technicality really really really really really frustrates me.
    Frustrates me too!

    Our military healthcare outsourced to Humana and Health Net

    http://www.military.com/Resources/Re...ry%20health%22

    http://www.armyfamiliesonline.org/sk...&allowssl=true

    Jay Gellert, CEO of Health Net Inc. made $11.6 million last year after a big jump in military contracts. Isn't this taxpayer dollars?
    How much do the military Generals, physicians, nurses, and medics make?

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...e_CEO_Pay.html
  8. by   Tweety
    Quote from spacenurse
    All of this madness to stop a madman, Saddam Hussein

    I've always been bothered by this sort of thing.

    The writer should remember though we got Saddam a couple of years ago, and then the president switched the war to the "war on terrorism". Find WMD...........find Saddam and give the good people of Iraq and American style democracy that they've always wanted.............stop terrorism.
  9. by   Tweety
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Do you think it's right that Managers earn more than staff nurses?
    That's the basic argument - and you can apply that to any profession.

    Managers don't make that much more than staff nurses. But our CEO made over .5 million dollars last year while our staff ratio was increased to save money.

    A private in the Army with a wife and 2 kids support can qualify for food stamps while the CEO that makes his gun makes millions a year.

    That's capitalism and I wouldn't have it any other way. But something isn't inherently right about this situation either.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Do you think it's right that Managers earn more than staff nurses?
    That's the basic argument - and you can apply that to any profession.

    Do you think it's right that Sergeants make more than Corporals? Or Majors make more than Captains? Or Generals make more than Brigadiers?


    See, this is a hard argument to make.
    Are we calling for a "Each from his own ability and to each, his own need" type of argument?

    If we were talking conscription - I could probably see a point.
    But nobody is forcing anyone to serve.
    And don't get me wrong - I'm not "weighing" one life against another. That's not the issue here.

    Besides - a grunt's life is always cheap to the bean counters Trust me, the US armed forces are the best paid in the whole world - but this issue is endemic to armed services the world over. You'll never see the guy/girl at the sharp end of the lance make as much money as you think his/her life is worth. I made a pitance as a sergeant in the Reserves - barely covered even a weeks expenses.

    That's the reason people in general prefer civillian service over military because the pay and benefits weighed against cost and risk are usually better. Civillians will almost always make better money than their military counterparts.


    This is our capitalist society. And as the irrascible Winston Churchill once put it "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery".


    What I DO think as an "issue" that deserves attention is the fleecing of government coffers by dishonest dorporations. Now please realise, I am of the general opinion that the only function of Governemnt is to protect the rights of individual citizens.

    THAT'S IT!

    As some of you might know by now, I don't like Government. Not just Republican Government. Or Democrat Government. Government itself.

    But stuff like Custer Battles LLC being let off on a technicality really really really really really frustrates me.


    Good post - especially love Churchill . . .

    "This is our capitalist society. And as the irrascible Winston Churchill once put it "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery"."

    steph
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    Is it capitalistic when the government pays?
    Seems as illogical as when President Clinton didn’t achieve healthcare reform and said there would be “managed competition”. What could THAT mean?

    Capitalism is defines as an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies also own the firms and are known as capitalists.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/capitalism

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