Do you think God is Mad?

  1. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/14/ind....ap/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/01/1...che/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/tsunami.disaster/

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapc...ity/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/01/1....ap/index.html
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  3. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    No, I don't think God stoops to anger or frustration or being "mad."

    I do think people make dumb decisions and then there are consequences.

    If you are skiing in an area that is off limits, well, there might be problems.

    If there's a plant fire, it is 99% probable it was preventable.

    Etc., etc.

    I heard on PRI today that even as bad as the tsunami was, only about 10,000 should have been lost. Why did we have nearly 20 times that dead? Because the barrier reefs have been eroded by over-fishing, over-shrimping and (of all things) dynamiting. Normally they would have presented interference to the waves.

    The shorelines used to be miles deep with mangrove trees. Tall, strong and thick, heavy trees which would have slowed the water's force. But they've been cut down.

    Before we trash modern man, this is not new. Many have unwittingly done things which have had long term effects, some devastating, some hardly noticeable, but all important, including ancient tribes, Native Americans, everyone has made errors.

    Hopefully, now that we have the means to observe, learn and communicate the nature of our errors, we can hope not to repeat them.

    But know, I think if God was truly "mad," a lot more of us would be in misery or gone.

    Of course, I could be wrong.
  4. by   CCU NRS
    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/14/ind....ap/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/01/1...che/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/tsunami.disaster/

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapc...ity/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/01/1....ap/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/01/1....ap/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/01....ap/index.html

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Nat...azards_v2.php3

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/

    I know there is a lot of continuing debate about end world scenarios and if the time is near. I also know that many people don't believe or don't want to believe there is a God. Really when you think about it, the Bible could even have been written by someone like Nostradamous(sp) who was much better at predictions and foresaw the end times. Either way there is a lot of bad stuff happening in the world
  5. by   weetziebat
    my own belief is that, no, god is not mad.

    i agree with florence nightingale (of all people, huh?) who said:
    "god is less of a person and more of a cosmic force than is generally supposed by christians."

    for me, god means a force, the source of creation, the mind of the universe. the entire universe and not as though people are any more special than say nature, or four legged creatures. i don't think of god as someone, something to be expected to help us, or to be angry at us. for example, that god caused the tsunami as punishment for something.

    i see the world as in a constant state of evolution, and ongoing - no beginning and no ending. things and people change and we may see it as 'good' or 'bad', but the universe is simply evolving. that the world may come to an end as we know it, but continue in another way.

    i can't see god as a being who looks down on us and, like santa claus, knows who is being naughty and who is being nice, and they will be rewarded or punished for their deeds. perhaps there is some form of karma, where we are rewarded and punished, but if so that it is more detached - a wheel turning rather than a benevolent or angry being.

    i feel we are all connected, all a piece of the puzzle, a part of the whole. that we were created by god, of god and if we live in love the world will evolve in 'good' ways, and if we choose to live in hatred, that the world will evolve in 'bad' ways - just as one would expect. if you pollute the air, kill the animals and destroy nature how can one expect good things to come of it? but i certainly do not see things like the tsunami, or avalanches or mudslides as being punishment. they are simply a force of nature. has happened before and will happen again.

    what do you think, ccu nrs?
  6. by   CCU NRS
    Quote from weetziebat
    "god is less of a person and more of a cosmic force than is generally supposed by christians."

    for me, god means a force, the source of creation, the mind of the universe. the entire universe and not as though people are any more special than say nature, or four legged creatures. i don't think of god as someone, something to be expected to help us, or to be angry at us. for example, that god caused the tsunami as punishment for something.

    i feel we are all connected, all a piece of the puzzle, a part of the whole. that we were created by god, of god and if we live in love the world will evolve in 'good' ways, and if we choose to live in hatred, that the world will evolve in 'bad' ways - just as one would expect. if you pollute the air, kill the animals and destroy nature how can one expect good things to come of it? but i certainly do not see things like the tsunami, or avalanches or mudslides as being punishment. they are simply a force of nature. has happened before and will happen again.

    what do you think, ccu nrs?
    i never mentioned punishment, you delivered that thought or that emotion if you will to the mix. but since you asked. i really like the cosmic consciousness theory as well, and i can also dig the whole nature is part of the whole and we all come from the earth return to the earth thing. hey we as a species are ruining the entire thing we are cutting puzzle pieces to fit how ever we like and throwing away the ones we don't want to trouble with!

    http://www.rain-tree.com/facts.htm

    http://forests.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=29133

    http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0...yword=&teaser=

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3147769.stm

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/nat...3?img_id=12674

    http://www.uaestudents.com/essay/1578.htm

    it seems to me that we as a species are just draggin the whole thing under which in turns ruins natrue which in turn ruins the earth so ipso facto the entire cosmic consciousness must be out of balance due to the happenings in our little piece of the puzzle and so the force that governs that consciousness has decided we are like a flea on a dog, irritating, bothersome and needing to be removed for the good of the whole!

    i don't think of it as punishment i think of it as evolution so to speak when the earth rids itself of the virus that is humans, it will begin to replenish itself and can begin again and possibly have a symbiotic relationship with the inhabitants to follow!
    Last edit by CCU NRS on Jan 15, '05
  7. by   weetziebat
    i think i got the punishment thing from reading another thread in ce - about tsunami conspiracy. just totally confounds me when religious leaders say things like the tsunami was caused by god as a punishment.

    don't think though that i see god as deciding we need to be removed for the good of the whole. to me it is more impersonal than that. people could screw up this planet so badly it is uninhabitable but i see it as just a natural consequence and not a 'decision'.

    makes me angry cause there seems so little one person can do against all the corporations etc. you try your best and hope it helps.

    haven't had to chance yet to check out the links. gosh, do you believe its after 2 am? guess it will have to wait till tomorrow - oops! later today.
  8. by   weetziebat
    [font=Fixedsys]Just noticed that there are two of this thread. Is it possible to combine them??
  9. by   Tweety
    I used to check a site similar to the Earth Observatory, or indeed that one, I can't remember. It doesn't seem to have more bad news that it always has.

    It seems to me that the past couple of weeks have been particularly bad (see the current event thread I started that coincidentally is a bit similar).

    I have no opinion on whether God is mad or not. I've been asking the same kinds of questions. If people believe that God looks down on them and gives blessings, helps them find their car keys when lost, etc. I wonder how that person who thanks God for the roof over their head feels when it's taken away by nature.

    If there is a God that destroyed cities, and indeed destroyed the world with a flood in the Old Testiment, would that same God not be angry at the state of the world today? Of course, he promised not to destroy the world again, but didn't promise not to send a few reminders as to who is God and what our purpose is. I know I would be if I were God.
  10. by   VickyRN
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    I used to check a site similar to the Earth Observatory, or indeed that one, I can't remember. It doesn't seem to have more bad news that it always has.

    It seems to me that the past couple of weeks have been particularly bad (see the current event thread I started that coincidentally is a bit similar).

    I have no opinion on whether God is mad or not. I've been asking the same kinds of questions. If people believe that God looks down on them and gives blessings, helps them find their car keys when lost, etc. I wonder how that person who thanks God for the roof over their head feels when it's taken away by nature.

    If there is a God that destroyed cities, and indeed destroyed the world with a flood in the Old Testiment, would that same God not be angry at the state of the world today? Of course, he promised not to destroy the world again, but didn't promise not to send a few reminders as to who is God and what our purpose is. I know I would be if I were God.
    Excellent post, Tweetie.

    Why do such bad things happen in this world--and so often, to good people? I'm certainly no theological expert and I have been very heavy-hearted during the past few weeks in the aftermath of the horrific Tsunami. I am a very spiritual person and a believer, and I have grappled with this question. I certainly don't have all the answers; I am merely a seeker. I do know, however, that God is good and that He desires to have a personal relationship with each and every one of us as a loving Father.

    One must remember, also, that there is a malignant force of evil loose in the world (the Bible identifies this personification as Satan, the devil, the adversary, the thief, etc.) In the book of Job (in the Old Testament), it was Satan who caused the natural calamities that destroyed Job's family, house, businesses, etc.

    Does this mean that God or Satan is behind every natural disaster? I don't think so. Sometimes natural calamities just occur due to a combination of natural events in this earth. Sometimes man's tampering with nature has made these natural events much worse. But to state that God is "angry" and therefore these events are happening... I just don't agree.

    Jesus stated, "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly." (John 10:10).

    Jesus also warned of increasing catastrophes before the end of this age as we know it (Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 read like today's newspaper).

    Just my thoughts on a very difficult subject...
    Last edit by VickyRN on Jan 15, '05
  11. by   lil' girl
    No he is not mad
  12. by   Roy Fokker
    Nope, he's not mad.

    'Cuz if he was - there would be no world and no life so to speak.

    So sayeth the Vedas and the Bhagavat Gita - not me
  13. by   Blackcat99
    I think God must be mad at me personally. Why else does he arrange things so I get stuck with so many incident reports!!! :angryfire
  14. by   Spidey's mom
    Of course He is mad. A loving God who created us with free will and looks down and sees a mother pouring bleach down her daughter's throat and then suffocating her is very angry. He is very angry whenever a child is hurt or someone is made to suffer at the hands of another person.

    But how he manifests that anger is the question.

    steph

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