Debate Thread

  1. Not that I would DARE give my opinions, but here's a good debate question.....

    Who/What would you consider the "backbone" of the nursing profession?

    1. The staff nurse who does direct patient care
    2. The nurse in academia/research who influences patient care

    3. The nurse educator/prof who teaches future nurses so we have the above mentioned job roles?

    4. Or the nursing assistant?

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  3. by   Ted
    All of the above. Actually, I would give this analogy:

    1) Healthcare is the the "Main Body".

    2) The Nursing Profession is the "Back Bone" to Healthcare (or the "Main Body").

    3) The "Staff nurse", "Research Nurse", "Nurse Educator" and "Nursing Assistant" are each an important vertibrate to the Nursing Profession - the "Back Bone" of Healthcare.

    I would then add that if any one of the "vertibrates" is somehow injured (layed-off/down-sized), the "Back Bone" to Healthcare is compromised. All nurses/nursing assistants need proper education (Nurse educators). The "point of contact care" is provided to the public (by the staff nurses and nursing assistants). To truly provide effective and appropriate "point of contact care, the "care" would need to have withstood the tests of time (Nursing Research).

    Just my humble and probably warped opinion. . .

    Let the debate continue. . . .



    Ted
  4. by   eltrip
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Not that I would DARE give my opinions, but here's a good debate question.....

    Who/What would you consider the "backbone" of the nursing profession?

    1. The staff nurse who does direct patient care
    2. The nurse in academia/research who influences patient care

    3. The nurse educator/prof who teaches future nurses so we have the above mentioned job roles?

    4. Or the nursing assistant?

    Hey Susy,
    I'm impressed! You are one of those rare humans who can actually have a theoretical thought prior to 8 am!

    I think that the staff nurse is the backbone of the nursing profession. Without a staff nurse, there is nothing for the nurse in academia to research & thus influence patient care. The nurse educator, at some point, will have been a staff nurse in order to have more than theory to share. The nursing assistant looks to the staff nurse for direction and instruction on the specifics of each patient's needs.

    And I'm daring to share my opinions. Hey, I'm living without regrets, here.
  5. by   live4today
    Susy........I agree with Ted. All of the above would be my answer, too.

    Your questions reminded me of a question one of my childhood Sunday School Teachers asked the entire class. I believe I was in sixth grade at the time. As the teacher showed the class pictures of various career choices, she asked the class "Which person's job is more important.......the doctor, the school teacher, the minister, a garbage collector.....?" (and so forth) The class began to name their pick of whose job was more important. After the class debated the question posed to us, the teacher finally stated "Each one is important. No one's career choice is more important than another's because they all have a role in helping society to function in a healthy well balanced way." She continued discussing with us our own importance in life, and how no matter what, we each had something valuable to contribute to society.


    The same avenue of thought applies in nursing. We all need one another in order to provide the best professional aspect of patient care we possibly can.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I agree, all of the above; nursing would be no where w/o them and the hospitals/health care system would collapse as a result. To me, it is a no-brainer.
  7. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    LMAO! You know, they brainwash us in nursing school. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE BEST ANSWER! So I analyzed the answers for a few minutes, and was getting pretty frustrated!

    Then I saw Ted's answer and was thrown for a loop that we could actually choose more than one!

    So yes, we are all part of the health delivery system. If you took just one piece of the puzzle away, we could not function.

    Now, the important thing is to learn to all work together.

    Heather
  8. by   Q.
    Jeez people!
    How nice, we all agree, and EVERYONE is equally important and loved and respected yadda yadda.

    Aside from Shay, ya know who ELSE I miss? jt and Wildtime. *sigh*
  9. by   MollyMo
    Someone from Housekeeping said to me" you nurses think you are everything. But would you work in a dirty hospital?" Well, would you? We are essential to patient care but we are very dependent on ancillary services--dietary, housekeeping, lab, Xray. We are good and we do alot but we don't do it all.
  10. by   prn nurse
    If you will look at the nursing history of your state:

    1.) Who was responsible for taking girls out of hospitals where they were working--for years-- practically free, (and in some cases ...for free) under the guise of "obtaining a diploma" ....to be a nurse?

    2.) Look in the same history of nursing and see who demanded your state legislature provide funds for four year programs to educate registered nurses AWAY FROM THE HOSPITAL.

    3.) Look & see WHEN these defining events took place.

    4.) Look & see who demanded that Universities (Board of Regents) build/fund "Schools of Nursing."

    5.) Look & see who demanded the standards for admission into a baccalaurate program be raised?
    Who demanded the standards for passing courses be raised?
    Who demanded the standards/requirements for graduation be upgraded for registered nurses?
    Who demanded chemistry, pharmacology, microbiology, statistics, etc. be included in a four year nursing degree?

    6.) Who demanded that organizations for licensing ...state boards and NLN boards, etc....be created to enhance, monitor, protect these hard-earned mileposts?

    7.0 Who demanded national testing standards?

    These demands and many more were made by nurse educators.
    The old nursing school teachers who saw the deficiencies and inequities of nurses as "trained doctors assistants", and recognized we needed to be "professionals." And understood we never would without four year degrees.

    Those nursing teachers became the first nursing school deans...they paved the way in uncharted territory.

    We owe them a tremendous debt. It wasn't easy to persuade governors, legislators, boards of regents to provide the funds for a "school of nursing" and elevate womens' nursing studies to baccalaurate levels.

    "A rising tide lifts all boats." The four year program lifts the 2 year nurses status also.
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    we don't think we are EVERYthing, but I do believe sincerely the health care system WOULD collapse if every nurse in the country quit and never returned. I don't mean to belittle ancillary staff or housekeeping. They are INVALUABLE to us who work in the hospital. But healthcare extends FAR beyond the HOSPITAL; it' so much broader than that. I believe in HEALTHCARE, we deliver the most care in the most diverse way. I don't know how we can argue that.
  12. by   Whisper
    I think this is the politeist (is that a word?) debate thread I have ever read... especailly on this bboard.

    I think that all componenets are vital, but some to be taking on more of the weight than others, I have been on wards that have no domestic or auxillary staff on on a weekend ... and the ward still functions, and on others where it came to a grinding halt.

    Peraps it is not necessarily who, as in what status in in the team, but rather on whom?
  13. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    we don't think we are EVERYthing, but I do believe sincerely the health care system WOULD collapse if every nurse in the country quit and never returned. I don't mean to belittle ancillary staff or housekeeping. They are INVALUABLE to us who work in the hospital. But healthcare extends FAR beyond the HOSPITAL; it' so much broader than that. I believe in HEALTHCARE, we deliver the most care in the most diverse way. I don't know how we can argue that.
    Well said, I agree!
  14. by   kaycee
    Originally posted by MollyMo
    Someone from Housekeeping said to me" you nurses think you are everything. But would you work in a dirty hospital?" Well, would you? We are essential to patient care but we are very dependent on ancillary services--dietary, housekeeping, lab, Xray. We are good and we do alot but we don't do it all.
    Actually I do work in a dirty hospital. ( I agree with you whole heartedly but our Housekeeping dept stinks)

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