D.Rumsfeld. "Doing a fabulous job!" illegally?

  1. Rumsfeld ordered secret detention of Iraqi suspect

    Julian Borger in Washington
    Friday June 18, 2004

    The Guardian

    An Iraqi has been held for the past seven months without the Red Cross being informed, on the orders of of the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, the Pentagon said yesterday.
    But Mr Rumsfeld insisted that his order had been made in response to a request by the CIA director, George Tenet, and added that the unnamed detainee, allegedly a member of the Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam, had received "humane treatment".

    Nevertheless, officials accepted that holding the prisoner incommunicado violated the Geneva conventions.

    Washington was on the defensive on several fronts yesterday about its human rights record.

    First, it revealed that a US civilian had been charged with beating to death an Afghan detainee while working on contract for the CIA in Afghanistan last year. It was the first case against a civilian arising from the alleged abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was identified as David Passaro, 38.

    Meanwhile a pressure group in New York, Human Rights First, accused the US of holding terror suspects in a network of secret bases around the world. It said the network included the British Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia, despite repeated denials by US and British officials.

    The case of the Iraqi detainee specifically links named senior US officials to a violation of the Geneva conventions. Other officials insisted that it was the result of a mistake. "He was lost in the system," an intelligence officer said, although that was denied by Mr Rumsfeld.

    The detainee is codenamed Triple X, because of the secrecy about his imprisonment. Ansar al-Islam, the group he is alleged to belong to, is an extremist group allied with al-Qaida and believed to be involved in numerous attacks on the coalition forces in Iraq.

    Triple X was captured in October and taken to a secret interrogation centre outside Iraq for questioning by the CIA.

    The intelligence official said this was justified under international law because revealing his capture might have sabotaged military operations.

    "He was an Ansar al-Islam member. He had knowledge of threats to US and coalition forces. He was knowledgeable of the group's leadership structure, training and locations, so he was an individual who did represent a threat to the troops over there," the official said.

    After about a month, when it was discovered that he was an Iraqi, the CIA's legal advisers decided that he had to be detained in Iraq. He was taken to Camp Cropper, near Baghdad airport, where about 100 detainees considered to have the highest intelligence value to the US are being held.

    Mr Tenet sent a request to Mr Rumsfeld that Triple X should not be registered on the military prison rolls, in effect concealing his existence from Red Cross inspectors. Mr Rumsfeld complied, and in the parlance of American prison guards Triple X became a "ghost detainee".

    In his report on the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, General Antonio Taguba called the practice of keeping ghost detainees "deceptive, contrary to army doctrine, and in violation of international law".

    President George Bush defended Mr Rumsfeld yesterday, saying: "I'm never disappointed in my secretary of defence. He's doing a fabulous job and America's lucky to have him in the position he's in."

    Triple X has been held incommunicado until now, but questioned only once.

    Guardian Unlimited Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
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  2. 43 Comments

  3. by   VivaLasViejas
    Rummy is one of the reasons Bush has got to go. Cheney is another one, and so is Ashcroft. It's not just Bush, it's the people he's surrounded himself with.......they ALL have gotta go, and soon!
  4. by   elkpark
    Can't believe this adminstration is supported by the same folks who laid awake nights for eight years trying to figure out more reasons to investigate the Clinton administration ... Each one of 'em is sleazier than the last; they apparently have no sense of shame, and no one takes any real responsibility for anything. This administration is an international embarrassment. November can't come soon enough ...
  5. by   Dixiedi
    Quote from elkpark
    Can't believe this adminstration is supported by the same folks who laid awake nights for eight years trying to figure out more reasons to investigate the Clinton administration ... Each one of 'em is sleazier than the last; they apparently have no sense of shame, and no one takes any real responsibility for anything. This administration is an international embarrassment. November can't come soon enough ...
    Remember what we asaid yesterday? Sometimes things just do not need to be made public. If the Red-Cross knew, they would have published it in the New York Times and then again in every newspaper know to man!
    Sometimes that just is't possible!
  6. by   purplemania
    who are these arm chair generals who think they can run the country? I think Bush and his admin. is doing a fine job considering all the bleeding hearts interference.
  7. by   Mkue
    Quote from elkpark
    Can't believe this adminstration is supported by the same folks who laid awake nights for eight years trying to figure out more reasons to investigate the Clinton administration ... Each one of 'em is sleazier than the last; they apparently have no sense of shame, and no one takes any real responsibility for anything. This administration is an international embarrassment. November can't come soon enough ...
    Actually, any political party looks for scandals, they are all the same. Each party tries to discredit the other, de ja vu, nothing new.
  8. by   movealong
    I disagree. I think the Bush adminstration is doing a horrible job.

    They have made so many mistakes. From the citing of a forged document, to telling the UN we didn't need them and would go it alone..and then having to go back to them for help, to being mistaken about how things would go in Iraq after the war, to the cost of the war, to paying millions of dollars to an Iraqi man for intellience that is now come under severe doubt, it's been a series of mistakes that would be laughable, a real comedy of errors, if the stakes weren't so high and didn't involve human lives. That's the reality of the situation. And I touched upon only a few of the mistakes that have been made to date. That's the sad part.
  9. by   Mkue
    Much of the hype about Rumsfeld has died down here in the US but the media continues to act as if there is a story. Many of the people I've talked to here in the US are not as concerned about Rumsfeld and most understand it's all political speak. I wonder if the Guardian ever considered writing about how well our economy is doing here in the US, jobs being created.. etc.. But that would be like reporting factual articles.
  10. by   Mkue
    Quote from movealong
    I disagree. I think the Bush adminstration is doing a horrible job.

    They have made so many mistakes. From the citing of a forged document, to telling the UN we didn't need them and would go it alone..and then having to go back to them for help, to being mistaken about how things would go in Iraq after the war, to the cost of the war, to paying millions of dollars to an Iraqi man for intellience that is now come under severe doubt, it's been a series of mistakes that would be laughable, a real comedy of errors, if the stakes weren't so high and didn't involve human lives. That's the reality of the situation. And I touched upon only a few of the mistakes that have been made to date. That's the sad part.
    Actually, President Bush stated "many" times that Iraq would be very difficult and considering that no other administration has ever attempted to overthrow a diabolical dictator and liberate a country and stabilize a region full of terrorists and create a new government at the same time we really don't have anything to compare Iraq to. The sad part is Iraq has been turned into a political tool for opponants of Pres. Bush, focusing on the difficulties rather than the overall picture. Saddam is not in power, our troops are working hard to stabilize Iraq and an interim govt. will be in place June 30th. WOW, amazing.
  11. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from mkue
    The sad part is Iraq has been turned into a political tool for opponants of Pres. Bush, focusing on the difficulties rather than the overall picture.
    You got that right! The mess in Iraq has completely overshadowed the mess Bush & Co. have created here at home, like the overtime bill.....the Patriot Act......the Medicare overhaul......the Valerie Plame scandal.....the tax cuts for the upper crust.......Halliburton........the unfunded No Child Left Behind Act...... :angryfire
  12. by   gwenith
    Quote from Dixiedi
    Remember what we asaid yesterday? Sometimes things just do not need to be made public. If the Red-Cross knew, they would have published it in the New York Times and then again in every newspaper know to man!
    Sometimes that just is't possible!
    The red cross, by virtue of it's international charter is not allowed to publish this material. Please see the Four corners report I posted.
  13. by   gwenith
    Quote from mkue
    Much of the hype about Rumsfeld has died down here in the US but the media continues to act as if there is a story. Many of the people I've talked to here in the US are not as concerned about Rumsfeld and most understand it's all political speak. I wonder if the Guardian ever considered writing about how well our economy is doing here in the US, jobs being created.. etc.. But that would be like reporting factual articles.
    Marie - you have no idea how poorly the behaviour of your current administration is viewed over this. America has, sadly lost so much credibility and respect. It has muddied the waters on issues such as the intelligence gathered at Guantanamo and may yet see a war crimes commission called against America.

    It is recieving big press over here because the rest of the world sees this as a frightening and worrying issue.
  14. by   gwenith
    This is how seriously we view the whole issue
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    Last Update: Monday, June 21, 2004. 6:35pm (AEST)

    Censured: Defence Minister Robert Hill. (ABC)

    Hill censured over prisoner abuse scandal
    The Senate has censured Minister for Defence Robert Hill over his handling of the Iraqi prisoner abuse issue.

    It was revealed earlier this month that both the Minister and some Australian military officers learned of concerns that detainees were being mistreated last June.

    Labor's John Faulkner moved the censure motion describing the Minister's handling of the issue as a disgrace.

    "Censure is not a strong enough sanction for Senator Hill," he said.

    "His resignation should follow, he should walk the walk to the Prime Minister's office and resign as Minister of Defence."

    The Democrats' Andrew Bartlett supported the motion.

    "What we have here is a government that has cut and run," he said.

    "It has cut and run from its basic obligations to tell the truth to the Australian people."

    Senator Hill dismissed the opposition parties' arguments.

    "This is a soft censure motion," he said.

    "It's not as if there are claims of conflict of interest of misleading the parliament or even a charge of incompetence."

    Senator Hill received reports last June that Amnesty International was concerned about prisoner ill-treatment but he has conceded he did not ask for any further information.

    Greens leader Bob Brown told the Senate the Defence Minister is not fit to hold office.

    "Defence Minister Hill did not act, had he acted Abu Ghraib might not have occurred," he said.

    Labor's Chris Evans argued that Senator Hill blamed public servants for not informing him of the seriousness of the allegations.

    "Hill sat there, hear no evil see no evil, nothing to do with me - I'm just the Minister," he said.

    Robert Hill dismissed Labor's attack.

    "It's hard to accept lectures on moral obligations from the Labor Party that wants to cut and run and leave the Iraqi people to the mercy of insurgents and terrorists," he said.

    The censure motion passed 32 votes to 31.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...6/s1136971.htm

    Our Minister of Defense has been censured for just KNOWING about the affair - not for involvement - just for knowing about it. I doubt he would still BE the MOD if he had any further involvement beyond that.

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