Christians look to form 'new nation' within U.S

  1. Christians look to form 'new nation' within U.S.
    Same-sex marriage called last straw prompting plan for 1 state to secede
    May 24, 2004
    By Joe Kovacs
    2004 WorldNetDaily.com

    Calling the approval of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts "the straw that broke the camel's back," a group of Christian activists is in the beginning stages of an effort to have one state secede from the United States to become its own sovereign nation.

    "Our Christian republic has declined into a pagan democracy," says Cory Burnell, president of ChristianExodus.org, a non-profit corporation based in Tyler, Texas. "There are some issues people just can't take anymore, and [same-sex marriage] might finally wake up the complacent Christians."

    Burnell is leading the charge for a peaceful secession of one state from the union, and after originally considering Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina due to their relatively small populations, coastal access, and the Christian nature of the electorate, Burnell says South Carolina has been selected as the target location.

    The plan initially calls for at least 12,000 Christians willing to be active in political campaigns to move to the Palmetto State.

    "We're not an invading force, we're reinforcements," Burnell tells WorldNetDaily, saying it would be a waste to move to liberal-minded states such as Massachusetts, New York or California where conservative votes would be diluted.

    According to the ChristianExodus website, which is slated for a major relaunch next month, "Christians have actively tried to return our entire land to its moral foundation for more than 20 years. We can categorically say that absolutely nothing has been achieved. If you disagree, consider this:

    * Abortion continues against the wishes of many states
    * Children may not pray in our schools
    * The Bible is not welcome in schools except under strict federal guidelines
    * The 10 Commandments remain banned from public display
    * Sodomy is now legal and celebrated as 'diversity' rather than perversion
    * Preaching Christianity will soon be outlawed as 'hate speech'
    * Gay marriage will be foisted upon us in the very near future

    "All these atrocities continue in spite of the fact that we now have the 'right' people in places of power. Indeed, the occupant of the White House is a professing Christian. The U.S. attorney general is believed to be a devout Christian. 'Conservatives' control both Houses of Congress, and Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices."

    The idea of moving thousands of people to affect the voting in one state is not new. As WorldNetDaily has previously reported, the Free State Project has goals of restoring certain personal liberties and limited government - but without seceding from the union. Last year, a group of 4,500 libertarians decided New Hampshire would be the best state.

    Burnell, a math teacher and cell-phone dealer, stresses he's not looking for bloody battles that took place in the American Revolution and the Civil War, but is rather seeking a "political divorce."

    "It's got to be different today," he says. "It has to be peaceful, brokered."
    But he admits if the federal government decides to use military force to stop the effort, "Then it can't happen."

    Already a dozen people are actively working on the project, and some 1,500 e-mails of support have been received.

    If all goes according to plan, Burnell is hoping to have a constitutional convention by 2014, with a president of the new nation - still to be known as South Carolina - elected in 2016, which is also a presidential election year in the U.S.

    He says the nation would be founded on Christian principles, and the people writing its constitution would have to hash out details to safeguard it as a Christian republic.
    For now, Burnell prefers to shy away from specifics on the precise laws governing the country.

    "Independence first, details later," he says.


    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38571
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  2. 79 Comments

  3. by   2ndCareerRN
    "Our Christian republic has declined into a pagan democracy,"
    And just what is wrong with a "pagan democracy"?

    bob
  4. by   Tweety
    I never realized we were a "Christian Republic". That's news to me.

    But having their own country would be o.k. with me. Then we'll see how having the Bible for the consitution would work.
  5. by   VivaLasViejas
    [QUOTE=3rdShiftGuy] But having their own country would be o.k. with me. /QUOTE]

    You and me both, Tweety. That way EVERYBODY could be happy: the wingnuts who want to ram their religion down everyone else's throats, and the rest of us who happen to think the US Constitution, as it was written, is a pretty darn good thing.
  6. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    [QUOTE=mjlrn97]
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    But having their own country would be o.k. with me. /QUOTE]

    You and me both, Tweety. That way EVERYBODY could be happy: the wingnuts who want to ram their religion down everyone else's throats, and the rest of us who happen to think the US Constitution, as it was written, is a pretty darn good thing.

    I agree totally!
  7. by   caroladybelle
    Why am I not surprised?

    Can we have them take Idaho - there are a of Christian Separatists/Supremacy groups there.

    South Carolina is way too pretty.
  8. by   canoehead
    Sounds like a great idea to me.
  9. by   movealong
    I once considered moving to Idaho, the Sandpoint region. It's truly beautiful.
    But too many wackos there for me.
  10. by   Gomer
    Didn't we go through this before? Wasn't called slavery and the Civil War put and end to that evil practice? Or, was it that nut in Jonestown who took all his "good Christian" people to their "reward" with a cup of Kool-Aid. Wonder how the people of SC feel about the idea?

    These nuts scare me more than any foreign terrorists.
  11. by   Ted
    Quote from Gomer
    Didn't we go through this before? Wasn't called slavery and the Civil War put and end to that evil practice? Or, was it that nut in Jonestown who took all his "good Christian" people to their "reward" with a cup of Kool-Aid. Wonder how the people of SC feel about the idea?

    These nuts scare me more than any foreign terrorists.
    These "nuts" have the same mind-set as the foreign terrorists. Extremism is extremism in any country, culture and religion.

    And these extremist so-called "christians" do not represent all of Christianity, I might add. It's just as the suicide-bombers from the Muslim religion do not represent all of Muslim.

    Interesting, though, how the extremists from both religions think so much alike. Maybe not in terms of violence. Yet! But in terms of "My Way or No Way". There is no room for reason; no room for the exchange of ideas; no room for any thing other their own agenda. A true represenation of the darkest side of humanity.

    What's scary is that it doesn't take much for people, under the right conditions, to get sucked into this dark mindset. Sadly, history gives much exmaples of such a thing. Nazi Germany is one prime example.



    Ted
    Last edit by Ted on May 29, '04
  12. by   elkpark
    I agree with efiebke. Fundamentalist extremists in this country have more in common with Islamic fundamentalist extremists than they do with the rest of us!

    The idea is fine with me (although SC is a little too close to me, geographically, for comfort). I'd prefer one of the western states, too. Let all the crackpot yahoos get together and have their own little "country," and maybe they'll leave the rest of us alone ...

    I must reiterate, though, that these extremists do not represent mainstream Christianity -- I am an active, practicing, lifelong Christian who hates to see all of us get tarred with that brush. The conservative Christian right acts like they represent "real" Christianity, but so many of their political and social positions are exactly the opposite of what Christ is recorded to have said in the Bible ...
  13. by   fergus51
    I'd be pleased to see these nuts have their own country where intolerance reigns supreme. They could just move to Iran or Saudi Arabia and save all the time it would take to get S Carolina.
  14. by   psychomachia
    Quote from WyomingRN
    Christians look to form 'new nation' within U.S.
    Same-sex marriage called last straw prompting plan for 1 state to secede
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38571
    The "Conch-Republic" tried it (secession) down here in FL in 1982 as a protest to the Border Patrol and its tactics with searching for illegals which consequently closed the roads into the Keys, thus killing tourism.

    They even declared "war" on the United States...


    gotta love those Conchs...

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