Cheaters~~!!!

  1. I just need to vent.

    Ok heres the story. I'm on orientation and for the first two weeks is a classroom setting. We basically have exams every other day. If we fail the exams, we have two other times to retake it and pass. Well.....today we had an IV Push exam. After I was done, I look over to the other side of the classroom and three girls were cheating. I guess out of the three, one actually knew her stuff and was giving out the answers to the other two. I really don't understand that and really bothered. Its not like they're going to get fired if they fail, they have two other times to pass the exam~!!!

    On top of that...they had no shame if the other classmates knew they were cheating. Makes me wonder what kind of nurses they'll make. Anywho...just needed to let this out. Thanks~~!!!
    •  
  2. 17 Comments

  3. by   pc1004rn
    Oh one other thing....

    The two that was cheating off the smarter one, both failed~~!!! LOL
    :roll
  4. by   Mkue
    OMG, that's terrible !! I think students just get desperate and will do anything to pass.

    Someone once offered me an answer to an extra credit question that I didn't know worth 5 pts. and I turned it down.. told her that it was her answer and not mine. I still got an "A" without answering the question and I felt so good about not using it.

    Her answer was right by the way.lol:chuckle
  5. by   researchrabbit
    My son is a smart kid and he's been threatened if he doesn't give test answers...his solution is to give the WRONG answer...and if it is multiple choice, he gives out "B A D" over and over...
  6. by   SusanRN2004
    In our program, with every test we have to sign an Honor Code paper saying that we did not cheet, and we do not know of ANYONE ELSE that has!
  7. by   delirium
    Originally posted by pc1004rn
    I just need to vent.

    Ok heres the story. I'm on orientation and for the first two weeks is a classroom setting. We basically have exams every other day. If we fail the exams, we have two other times to retake it and pass. Well.....today we had an IV Push exam. After I was done, I look over to the other side of the classroom and three girls were cheating. I guess out of the three, one actually knew her stuff and was giving out the answers to the other two. I really don't understand that and really bothered. Its not like they're going to get fired if they fail, they have two other times to pass the exam~!!!

    On top of that...they had no shame if the other classmates knew they were cheating. Makes me wonder what kind of nurses they'll make. Anywho...just needed to let this out. Thanks~~!!!
    Ok, I'll ask the million dollar question since nobody else did.

    Did you report them?

    In our academic honesty statement it says that not only will we not cheat, but we are bound to report anyone we observe engaging in fraudulent behavior (like what you described).

    In other words, we have an obligation to report them.
  8. by   Ex130Load
    We too sign a statement before each test that mentions about not cheating and or tolerating it.
    Assuming you have some honor code to the same affect, how does your conscious allow you to get away tolerating that behavior? No one likes to be the snitch.
    Let me put it in more personal scenarios to which you might be able to relate. Would you trust any of them with your family members? If you all graduate simultaneoulsy, do you want them competing with you for the same jobs? How would you feel if you end up working for any of them? If they'd cheat there, where else might they cheat?
    A part time instructor at my old university caught a 53(?) year old student cheating--white socks, dark brown sandals, orange "stickees" beneath her soles so I was told. Instead of pleading I "...was stupid, mentally deranged..." or anything else along those lines, she stated something to the effect "...I don't really care about this test...I just want to get my degree so I can make more money." The instructor said he probably would have given her another chance until she offered her rationale. He decided he wouldn't facilitate anything putting her in a position to provide care to any of his family members--failed her, told university he'd refuse her as a student, and wanted her kicked out of college.
    So you don't want to be snitch, understandable. Maybe the main problem is that you don't want to be highlighted as a snitch. Honor and integrety are core values to me. I gave the instructor a heads-up on rumors I'd heard. He narrowed down which classes he suspected it could be, after getting over the shock that someone would actually cheat. He then started asking students whom he felt were more honest than others "...have you heard anyone or seen any cheating..." etc. When a couple refused to answer, he informed them if he caught a cheater and could confirm in his own mind that others knew but said nothing, those in the know would also be "toast". The "rats" squealed, he targeted in on one person, caught her "dead to rights", and said nothing about what tipped him off.
    Now, not all instructors would do that. Some might make you "stand up in the light of day" and proclaim all you know. Still, you could leave a typed-written anonymous note or send an e-mail from an address that doesn't reflect your name. You have options...and hopefully a conscious.
  9. by   ptnurse
    Let me get this straight. The two people who were cheating off the girl with the answers flunked anyway. You have to be especially gifted to be given the answers and still fail. You really should worry about what kind of nurses they will be when they get on the units.
  10. by   GPatty
    Yea~ we had some cheaters in class too. But no one was actually caught, so to say, so nothing came of it.
    One of them failed out on her own...
  11. by   pc1004rn
    Let me just clarify....we all have out license as RN....the orientation is for our job at the hospital. So far we didn't receive any documents regarding any sort of honor code.

    And to answer the question. No, I did not report them. Like I said, we have two other chance to retake. So they'll be taking the test alone, without the smartypants helping them out, and have to really study for the exam. I spoke to another nurse in the same class and we're thinking about notifying the nurse educator to just be alittle more strict when taking the exam.

    But to tell you the truth, I don't know if the educator even cared. Eventho her back was faced to them, I'm sure she could of heard them. Who knows...
  12. by   Robin61970
    It still makes you wonder if they cheated their way through school.......
  13. by   kittyw
    We had a bunch of cheaters in my A&P II class ... but when I'm taking a test I'm so zoned that I'm totally clueless (for the most part).

    The only time I've seen a student cheat - right out pulled a sheet of paper out of his pocket & copied it - I reported it to the professor. This student ended up being voted class president - but not my class. He was starting his career in politics (it was a political science class).
  14. by   nursegoodguy
    personally I really resent being tested at a job... I mean I passed my boards and have way over ten years experience!

    Okay you guessed it... Yes I've been outta school way too long! Oh Heather... can I sit next to you during the test...

close