Byrd did not compare GOP to Nazis, spokeman says

  1. Byrd did not compare GOP to Nazis, spokesman says

    WASHINGTON (AP)-Sen. Robert Byrd's description of Adolf Hitler's rise to power was meant as a warning to heed the past and not as a comparison to Republicans, a spokesman for the West Virginia Democrat says.
    "Witness how men with motives and a majority can manipulate law to cruel and unjust ends," Byrd said Tuesday on the Senate floor.Bebeto Matthews, AP

    Nonetheless, two Jewish groups and a pair of GOP politicians chastised the senator on Wednesday, including one who recalled Byrd's Ku Klux Klan membership as a young man. Byrd's comments, which he made Tuesday in the Senate, came during his speech criticizing a Republican plan to block Democrats from filibustering President Bush's judicial nominees.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...gop-byrd_x.htm
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  2. 12 Comments

  3. by   leslie :-D
    byrd knew exactly what he was saying; and sometimes i have felt that's the direction this country is headed in. :angryfire
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    I do think we diminish the terror that was Hitler and the Nazi party by using the comparison so much.

    Young people hearing the President compared to Hitler, Gloria Steinam called "feminazi" and such could think it wasn't so bad.

    Senator Byrd is old enough to remember so he knows what his warning is about.
  5. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from earle58
    byrd knew exactly what he was saying; and sometimes i have felt that's the direction this country is headed in. :angryfire
    I agree, Leslie.........when the group of lawmakers in power can deny others the right to oppose their agenda---even the right to participate in debating an issue---where does it stop? :angryfire One side shouldn't be allowed to change rules that have been in place for centuries just because they don't want the other side to have a say in things.......if that's OK, then what sets the US apart from the countries we're trying to 'save' from dictators? :uhoh21:
  6. by   fergus51
    I also don't like the constant nazi references. Every cause in this country seems to want to invoke that to further their agenda (PETA, pro-lifers, pro-choicers, anti-euthanasia advocates, etc, etc)
  7. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from fergus51
    I also don't like the constant nazi references. Every cause in this country seems to want to invoke that to further their agenda (PETA, pro-lifers, pro-choicers, anti-euthanasia advocates, etc, etc)
    Count me in Fergus . . . I am sick of it myself.

    We are so far from Nazi Germany and it is a little scary that Byrd thinks we are headed that way. Actually, he is a little scary. But he isn't a Nazi

    steph
  8. by   Roy Fokker
    I honestly doubt people who dub Mr. Bush as the next Nazi.

    I really really really doubt they knew what day to day life in NSDAP ruled Germany was like.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, as a resident of a Socialist Republic, and having done a good deal of research into the Second World War, I can assure you that the comparisions to Nazism to the US is outrageous.

    Those who claim that the US is a Nazi Germany like totalitarian state need to live in a few places with strong socialist leanings to learn the big difference.

    The closest country to Nazi Germany in today's world is the authoritarian state of North Korea.
  9. by   Rep
    No matter what, the USA can never be a state similar to Nazi Germany. Even if America will have a strong central government but it can never be at par with Nazi Germany. I also agree the opinions posted by Roy Fokker.
  10. by   Thunderwolf
    The key thing here is ensuring "the balance of power" without "predominance of power".
  11. by   leslie :-D
    while the u.s. has appeared to be headed towards a level of dictatorship, it still will NEVER be nazi germany. and yes to compare the two, does indeed dimiish the horror of what actually did happen under th hitler regime.
    byrd's comments are likely wishful thinking. :stone
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    I honestly doubt people who dub Mr. Bush as the next Nazi.

    I really really really doubt they knew what day to day life in NSDAP ruled Germany was like.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, as a resident of a Socialist Republic, and having done a good deal of research into the Second World War, I can assure you that the comparisions to Nazism to the US is outrageous.

    Those who claim that the US is a Nazi Germany like totalitarian state need to live in a few places with strong socialist leanings to learn the big difference.

    The closest country to Nazi Germany in today's world is the authoritarian state of North Korea.
    Roy - thanks, right on the money post there young man.

    There are some folks who need to retire and Byrd is one of them.

    steph
  13. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from Thunderwolf
    The key thing here is ensuring "the balance of power" without "predominance of power".
    Bingo!

    I think whilst it's correct that people get nervous and concerned at the powers being appropriated by the current administration and at the growing strength of the Federal Government.... it's simply preposterous to call this an "imperialist" nation or a "dictatorship".

    I don't see Bush granting himself extra-constitutional powers through "Enabling Act", nor do I see Republican Party "Stormtroopers" out on the streets vandalising minority property and threatening abuse. I don't see whole sections of the population being disenfranchised based on race or creed. I don't see mass deportation through any illegal means.

    Yes, there is growing concern about the apparent decline of Civil Liberties and the lack of spine being shown by the elected representatives in combating this atmosphere of perpetual fear that is being setup.

    But toi compare it to Nazi Germany - nay even a "mild" authoritarian state is ridiculous. When all is said and done, this Government has to bow out in a few years time.


    What would be interesting to note, however, is if one described the democracy present here (and in other western nations) as a "Plutocracy".

    Now THAT might be a more valid argument.

    I'd also like to part with a famous quotation:

    "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you"

    Yes, coparisions to Nazi Germany maybe hyperbole to the extreme but that must not lessen our vigilence to the tricks of the Government.
  14. by   Rep
    Quote from Thunderwolf
    The key thing here is ensuring "the balance of power" without "predominance of power".
    That whats democracy is about. There is a " check and balance" in the government between political groups. Even if one group is in the majority they can not do anything that is radical in measure with out the minority vehemingly opposing it.

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