Bush's Flip-Flops (NOT beach wear)

  1. Keep in mind this is just the top ten that they listed:

    http://democrats.org/specialreports/top10_flipflops/

    The Bush Record: Top 10 Bush Flip Flops

    1. Bush Flip-Flops on Independent 9/11 Commission

    Bush Flip: Initially Opposed to Independent 9/11 Commission
    Bush opposed an independent inquiry into 9/11, arguing it would duplicate a probe conducted by Congress. In July 2002, his administration issued a "statement of policy" that read "...the Administration would oppose an amendment that would create a new commission to conduct a similar review [to Congress's investigation]." [Statement of Administration Policy, Executive Office of the President, 7/24/02; LA Times, 11/28/02]

    Bush Flop: Bush Relented and Appointed Independent Commission
    President Bush finally agreed to support an independent investigation into the 9/11 attacks after "the congressional committees unearthed more and more examples of intelligence lapses, the administration reversed its stance." [Los Angeles Times, 11/28/02]

    2. Bush Flip-Flops on Independent WMD Commission

    Bush Flip: Refuses to Call for Independent Bipartisan Commission on Weapons of Mass Destruction
    "President Bush said on January 30, 2004, 'I want to know the facts' about any intelligence failures concerning Saddam Hussein's alleged cache of forbidden weapons but he declined to endorse calls for an independent investigation." [AP, 1/30/04]

    Bush Flop: Bush Appoints WMD Investigation Commission
    President Bush named a nine-member bipartisan commission to investigate U.S. intelligence-gathering capabilities in February 2004. The AP noted, "Bush had initially opposed a commission, but agreed to do so as calls grew from Republican lawmakers as well as Democrats." The Los Angeles Times reported, "The White House opposed that panel initially, then backed down under pressure, and some say administration officials now regret doing so because the administration has become locked in a series of embarrassing battles with the Sept. 11 commission." The New York Times noted Bush "gave the panel until March 2005, well after the November elections, to submit its conclusions." [NY Times, 2/7/04; LA Times, 2/1/04; AP, 2/6/04]

    3. Bush Flip-Flops on Time He'll Spend With 9/11 Commission

    Bush Flip: Would Meet For Only One Hour With 9/11 Commission
    McClellan: Obviously, as part of this, the President will be meeting with the chairman and vice chairman at some point in the near future. We are still working on the exact time of that meeting. We have discussed with the commission what we believe is a reasonable period of time to provide the chairman and vice chairman with answers to all of their questions.
    Q: Is that the one-hour time frame?
    McClellan: That's what I'm referring to. [WH Press Briefing, 3/9/04]

    Bush Flop: White House Says No Time Limit on President's Testimony
    "President George W. Bush will privately answer all questions raised by the federal commission investigating the September 11 attacks, the White House said, suggesting that Bush might allow the interview to extend beyond the one-hour limit originally offered to the panel by the White House. 'He's going to answer all the questions they want to raise,' said the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, whose remarks suggested that the White House was softening its negotiating stance toward the bipartisan commission. 'Nobody's watching the clock.'" [WH Press Briefing, 3/9/04; International Herald Tribune, 3/11/04]

    4. Bush Flip-Flops On Calling For A U.N. Vote On Iraq War

    Bush Flip: U.S. Will Seek U.N. Vote For War With Iraq
    Bush: ...yes, we'll call for a vote.
    Question: No matter what?
    Bush: No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam. [Bush News Conference, 3/6/03, emphasis added]

    Bush Flop: Bush Attacked Iraq Without U.N. Vote
    Bush "failed to win explicit [security] council approval for the use of force" in Iraq. Two days before bombs began to fall in Iraq, the Bush administration withdrew its resolution from the UN Security Council that would have authorized military force. Bush abandoned his call for a vote after it became clear that the US could muster only four votes in support of force. [Washington Post, 3/21/03; Los Angeles Times, 3/18/03]

    5. Bush Flip-Flops on Department Of Homeland Security

    Bush Flip: Bush Thought Homeland Security Cabinet Position Was "Just Not Necessary"
    In October 2001, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said Bush opposed creating Office of Homeland Security position for Ridge. "[T]he president has suggested to members of Congress that they do not need to make this a statutory post, that he [Ridge] does not need Cabinet rank, for example, there does not need to be a Cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security is because there is such overlap among the various agencies, because every agency of the government has security concerns," Fleischer said. [White House Press Briefing, 10/24/01]

    Bush Flop: Bush Decides to Support Homeland Security
    The New York Times reported, "Bush initially resisted Democratic proposals for a Cabinet-level agency. But once he endorsed it, the president pushed Congress for fast action as it debated such issues as whistle-blower protections, concerns over civil liberties and collective bargaining for department employees."

    In remarks to Homeland Security Department employees, Bush claimed credit for supporting the Department: "In just 12 months, under the leadership of your President...you faced the challenges standing up this new Department and you get a -- and a gold star for a job well done." [New York Times, 2/28/03; Bush Remarks at One-Year Anniversary of DHS, 3/2/04]

    6. Bush Flip-Flops on Gay Marriage

    Bush Flip: It's Up to the States to Decide
    In a 2000 presidential primary debate, candidate George W. Bush said gay marriage was a state's issue, saying, "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Presidential Primary Debate, 2/15/00]

    Bush Flop: Bush Supports Constitutional Amendment That Restricts States' Rights
    Bush: "If we are to prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in America. Decisive and democratic action is needed, because attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country." [Bush, 2/24/04]

    7. Bush Flip-Flops on Using Military For Nation Building

    Bush Flip: Bush Promised Not to Use Military for Nation Building
    In a campaign rally in Tennessee, then-Presidential candidate Bush criticized the Clinton administration for using the military in nation-building missions. Bush said, "I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation-building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place." [Governor George W. Bush, 11/6/00]

    Bush Flop: President Used Military for Nation Building in Afghanistan and Iraq
    After the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Bush met with soldiers stationed in Afghanistan at the White House and thanked them for their nation building efforts. A senior administration official said, "The administration, with its international partners, is doing something akin to nation-building." The plans for a post war Iraq also included nation building measures and, according to the Baltimore Sun, "Secretary of State Colin L. Powell confirmed...that Bush was considering, among other options, installing a U.S.-led occupation government if Hussein's regime is removed." [Baltimore Sun, 10/19/02]

    8. Bush Flip-Flops on Hybrid Automobiles

    Bush Flip: Bush Mocked Gore's Tax Credit for Hybrid Cars
    "'How many of you own hybrid electric gasoline engine vehicles? If you look under there, you'll see that's one of the criteria necessary to receive tax relief. So when he talks about targeted tax relief that's pretty darn targeted,' Bush told the Arlington Heights rally, drawing laughs." [Chicago Sun-Times, 10/29/00]

    Bush Flop: Bush Supported Investing in Hybrid Cars
    In his State of the Union speech, Bush said, "Tonight I am proposing $1.2 billion in research funding so that America can lead the world in developing clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles. ... Join me in this important innovation, to make our air significantly cleaner, and our country much less dependent on foreign sources of energy." [White House, "President Delivers 'State of the Union,'" 1/28/03]

    9. Bush Flip-Flops on Assault Weapons Ban

    Bush Flip: Bush Supports Extending Assault Weapons Ban
    Ashcroft: "It is my understanding that the president-elect of the United States has indicated his clear support for extending the assault weapons ban, and I will be pleased to move forward with that position." [Confirmation Hearing, Senate Judiciary Committee, 1/17/01]

    Bush Flop: Bush Opposes Extension of Assault Weapons Ban
    "The White House is opposing addition of gun show and assault weapons restrictions to a bill shielding firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits, prompting angry complaints from Democrats that President Bush is reneging on earlier support for the two proposals...In a statement [on February 24, 2004], the White House urged passage of the lawsuits measure without amendments that might delay its enactment. 'Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable,' the statement said. Democrats interpreted this as an effort to undermine support for the gun-control measures. 'For the president to say he is for the assault weapons ban but then act against it is a flip-flop if there ever was one,' said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), one of several sponsors of the assault weapons proposal in the Senate." [Washington Post, 2/26/04]

    10. Bush Flip-Flops on Steel Tariffs

    Bush Flip: Bush Imposes Steel Tariffs
    "President Bush on [March 5, 2002] slapped punishing tariffs of 8% to 30% on several types of imported steel in an effort to help the ailing U.S. industry, drawing criticism from American allies and mixed reviews at home. 'An integral part of our commitment to free trade is our commitment to enforcing trade laws to make sure that America's industries and workers compete on a level playing field,' Bush said in a statement issued by the White House." [USA Today, 3/5/02]

    Bush Flop: Bush Rescinds Steel Tariffs
    "Facing a potential global trade war, President Bush on [December 4, 2003] lifted tariffs he imposed on foreign steel 21 months ago, declaring the U.S. steel industry healthy and ready to compete despite the industry's claim that it needs more time to recover." [Chicago Tribune, 12/5/03]
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  2. 25 Comments

  3. by   Mkue
    I see the Dems are getting worried about Mr. Kerry's reputation as a flip/flopper so they've tried to create their own list for Pres Bush. Mr. Kerry's quotes and voting record far outweigh anything President Bush has said or done.

    Can't blame them for trying though.
  4. by   BeachNurse
    Quote from mkue
    I see the Dems are getting worried about Mr. Kerry's reputation as a flip/flopper so they've tried to create their own list for Pres Bush. Mr. Kerry's quotes and voting record far outweigh anything President Bush has said or done.

    Can't blame them for trying though.
    Sadly for the Dems, this list even isn't half as long as the Kerry list. Mkue, I also like your quote that you posted in the Kerry Flip Flop thread about Bush not wavering on the war in Iraq.
  5. by   Energizer Bunny
    Keep in mind this is just the top ten that they listed:
  6. by   BeachNurse
    Quote from CNM2B
    Keep in mind this is just the top ten that they listed:
    I am having a hard time believing that if there were more they wouldn't list them..just a thought..
  7. by   Energizer Bunny
    And, I am having a hard time believing that everyone that is "for" Bush cannot admit any of his faults. I willingly admit where I think Kerry made mistakes.
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    How about misleading the American people for the puropse of starting a war?
    Saying SH had WMDs?

    How can a compassionate man have NO doubts about allowing hundreds of people to be put to death?

    How can one be pro-life and for the death penalty and pre emptive war?
  9. by   Elenaster
    Quote from CNM2B
    And, I am having a hard time believing that everyone that is "for" Bush cannot admit any of his faults. I willingly admit where I think Kerry made mistakes.
    I totally agree with you. I'm so sick of "Bush is a total saint, beyond reproach in all areas" that I could vomit. He a politician for Pete's sake.

    I think that's why I've practically given up trying to debate on this forum. I think I'd get farther arguing with a fencepost, seeing as it's more flexible.
    Last edit by Elenaster on Apr 28, '04
  10. by   fergus51
    Marie, how could Dems be the ones responsible for creating this? It was Bush's quotes, his own words. Surely the Dems weren't making him say those things.
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    What does "FIGHT AND WIN WAR AND THEREFORe PREVENT WAR FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE" mean?
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    http://www.c-span.org/campaign2000/t...ate_100300.asp
    MR. LEHRER: New question. How would you go about, as president,
    deciding when it was in the national interest to use U.S. force,
    generally?

    GOV. BUSH: Well, if it's in our vital national interests, and
    that means whether or not our territory -- our territory is
    threatened, our people could be harmed, whether or not our alliances
    are -- defense alliances are threatened. Whether or not our friends
    in the Middle East are threatened. That would be a time to seriously
    consider the use of force.

    Secondly, whether or not the mission was clear; whether or not it
    was a clear understanding as to what the mission would be. Thirdly,
    whether or not we were prepared and trained to -- to -- win. Whether
    or not our forces were of high morale and high standing and well-
    equipped. And finally, whether or not there was an exit strategy.

    I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded
    in my approach. I don't think we can be all things to all people in
    the world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our
    troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of


    troops. He believes in nation-building. I would be very careful
    about using our troops as nation-builders. I believe the role of the
    military is to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from
    happening in the first place.
    I want to rebuild the military power. It starts with a billion-dollar
    pay raise for the men and women who wear the uniform, a billion
    dollars more than the president recently signed into law. It's to
    make sure our troops are well housed and well equipped, bonus plans to
    keep some of our high-skilled folks in the services, and a commander
    in chief who clearly sets the mission. And the mission is to fight
    and win war, and therefore prevent war from happening in the first
    place.

    GOV. BUSH: I agree that our military is the strongest in the
    world today. That's not the question.

    The question is it will be the strongest in years to come. And the
    warning signs are real. Everywhere I go around the campaign trail I
    see people who -- moms and dads whose son or daughter may wear the
    uniform, and they tell me about how discouraged their son or daughter
    may be. if we don't stop extending our troops all around the world
    in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious
    problem coming down the road... And I'm going to prevent that.

    VICE PRESIDENT GORE: I think bipartisanship is a national asset, and we have to find
    ways to reestablish it in foreign policy and national security policy.

    MR. LEHRER: In a word, do you have a problem with that?

    GOV. BUSH: Yeah. Why haven't they done it in seven years?
    (Chuckles.)
    GOV. BUSH: The man's practicing fuzzy math again. There's
    differences. Under VICE PRESIDENT GORE's plan, he's going to grow the
    federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson
    in 1965, and we're talking about a massive government, folks.
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    Those of you who are more intelligent than I can analyze the quotes from the 2000 debates if you want. If not ignore so you can continue this interesting thread.
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    http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000b.html

    October 11, 2000
    BUSH:... Peace in the Middle East is in our nation's interests. Strong relations in Europe is in our nation's interest.... It really depends upon how our nation conducts itself in foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us... We can help build coalitions but we can't put our troops all around the world...

    BUSH:... I want everybody to know should I be the president Israel's going to be our friend. I'm going to stand by Israel. Secondly, that I think it's important to reach out to moderate Arab nations, like Jordan and Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. It's important to be friends with people when you don't need each other so that when you do there's a strong bond of friendship. And that's going to be particularly important in dealing not only with situations such as now occurring in Israel, but with Saddam Hussein. The coalition against Saddam has fallen apart or it's unraveling, let's put it that way. The sanctions are being violated. We don't know whether he's developing weapons of mass destruction. He better not be or there's going to be a consequence should I be the president. But it's important to have credibility and credibility is formed by being strong with your friends and resoluting your determination.
    One of the reasons why I think it's important for this nation to develop an anti-ballistic missile system that we can share with our allies in the Middle East if need be to keep the peace is to be able to say to the Saddam Husseins of the world or the Iranians, don't dare threaten our friends. It's also important to keep strong ties in the Middle East, credible ties, because of the energy crisis we're now in. After all, a lot of the energy is produced from the Middle East, and so I appreciate what the administration is doing. I hope to get a sense of should I be fortunate to be the president how my administration will react to the Middle East...
    (There is much discussion regarding the middle east here)

    BUSH: I think it's a triumph. I thought the president made the right decision in joining NATO and bombing Serbia.

    MODERATOR: Sure, absolutely, sure. Somalia.
    ...BUSH: Started off as a humanitarian mission and it changed into a nation-building mission, and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price. And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow the dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case it was a nation-building exercise, and same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either...

    BUSH: Well, I understand, and Africa is important. And we've got to do a lot of work in Africa to promote democracy and trade, and there are some -- Vice President mentioned Nigeria is a fledgling democracy. We have to work with Nigeria. That's an important continent. But there's got to be priorities, and Middle East is a priority for a lot of reasons, as is Europe and the Far East... I'm worried about overcommitting our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. You mentioned Haiti. I wouldn't have sent troops to Haiti. I didn't think it was a mission worthwhile. It was a nation building mission, and it was not very successful. It cost us billions, a couple billions of dollars, and I'm not so sure democracy is any better off in Haiti than it was before...

    MODERATOR: You said in the Boston debate, Governor, on this issue of nation building, that the United States military is overextended now. Where is it overextended?
    BUSH:... Balkans. I would very much like to get our troops out of there. I recognize we can't do it now, nor do I advocate an immediate withdrawal. That would be an abrogation of our agreement with NATO. No one is suggesting that. But I think it ought to be one of our priorities to work with our European friends to convince them to put troops on the ground. And there is an example. Haiti is another example....Our military is meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops... I strongly believe we need to keep a presence in NATO, but I'm going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the extra strategy obvious... I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say, we do it this way, so should you... I think the United States must be humble and must be proud and confident of our values, but humble in how we treat nations...

    MODERATOR: New question. Last question. For you, Governor. And this flows somewhat out of the Boston debate. You, your running mate, your campaign officials have charged that Vice President Gore exaggerates, embellishes and stretches the facts, etcetera. Are you -- do you believe these are serious issues?
    I don't believe, like the vice president does, in huge government. I believe in limited government. By having a limited government and a focused government, we can send some of the money back to the people who pay the bills. I want to have tax relief for all people who pay the bills in America, because I think you can spend your money more wisely than the federal government can.
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    http://www.practicalradical.com/liarliar.html
    Liar, liar, pants on fire; hanging from a telephone wire" - children's rhyme

    Most politicians lie. In fact, virtually every one of them lies, at some point or another.
    Saddam Hussein was ordered to give UN weapons inspectors access to sensitive facilities and reluctantly he did. Nothing was discovered.
    The regime also disclosed its weapons programs in an extensive 12,000 page dossier, which named the corporations from the US, UK, Germany, France and China who had supplied them with materials and equipment to develop biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, but this information was censored. There was a claim, probably true, that SH did not document each and every chemical or biological weapon disposed of.
    Iraq was then given an ultimatum to disarm in accordance with Resolution 1441 or face conflict with the nations who armed it. In response, they destroyed their remaining al-Samoa 2 missile system and allowed military scientists to be interviewed by the inspectors, a key demand.

    Despite this and Scott Ritter's revelations that Iraq was already neutered, or the general consensus that containment was working, SH's compliance was dismissed by the as a cynical attempt to buy more time, and he was accused of deceit. Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Straw, Powell, Rice, Cheney, Howard and others, continued to insist that Iraq threatened world stability with weapons of mass destruction and confrontation was necessary because 'time was running out!'
    If, as President Bush has now stated, it was never claimed that Hussein was an 'imminent threat' and as George Tenet said, he only hoped for a nuclear weapon, then why was 'Shock & Awe' necessary?

    Had Hans Blix and his team been given more time - just one more year, it would have eventually come to light, as it did to David Kay, that Iraq did not possess WMDs with the capacity to threaten it's neighbors, (Israel) much less America or Britain, after all, they couldn't even successfully invade Kuwait!
    So, war may have been averted by diplomacy and an apology or resignations will not suffice, but with the Saddam Hussein now in custody, the location of any concealed weapons which may supply terrorist networks, should have been coerced from the alleged Taliban conscripts in Guantanamo Bay who are being interrogated for less and unlike SH, denied basic human rights and POW status.

    Since the weapons which could be activated in 45 minutes have failed to materialize, not even in retaliation after the outbreak of war, it is not Iraq who has undermined the UN, but the politicians who sent our troops, justified by "darned good" intelligence.
  14. by   Energizer Bunny
    The fact that they lie is pretty much a given (or at least so I think). What concerns me is WHAT they lie about...how much it is going to affect me and the country that I love!

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