Border Crossing, Cochise County, Douglas, Aizona

  1. Desperate Hispanics, Armed with Dreams, are Dying at an alarming rate, just trying to be a part of the American dream...these humans are no different than the Pilgrims...why do we allow this to happen? What role do Amerikan coyotes play in this human genocide?
    •  
  2. 78 Comments

  3. by   fergus51
    Do you have any links to what you're talking about? Some of us don't live in the area and have never heard of these border crossings.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    What would be your solutions? I am interested to hear. And yes, I am familiar with Cochise county, one of the southernmost counties of Arizona. I agree, the situation is horrific. What do you propose we "Amerikans" do about it?
  5. by   sharann
    What are you talking about? I live in Sothern California where the borders are pretty much open but I never heard of the "Amerikan Coyotes". The only coyotes here are a threat to our small pets, seriously.
  6. by   BRANDY LPN
    My late father was a officer in the border patrol and if I am correct a "coyote" is a smuggler who the immigrants hire to help them cross. Of course this is VERY illegal and some of these "coyotes" simply take the $$ and abandon (or worse) their "charges" in the middle of nowhere.
  7. by   BRANDY LPN
  8. by   gypsyatheart
    P.S.....The "coyotes" aren't always "Amerikan"... BTW, many times they are the same nationality as those being smuggled in! So, in essence they are profitting off "their own".... Oh, and it's not just Az that this happens in, it happens in all the southwestern border states. We have fatalities regularly d/t illegals trying to get across the border...illegally....
    Why, do we allow this to happen, well, hmmm, maybe it's because the majority of our military is not in this country, but in someone else's country trying to regulate it's borders!
    And, maybe it's b/c the average "Amerikan" is helpless to changing any kind of political "policy"...we are hostages of our own government....they are allowing this to happen.
    Also, maybe it's because the country these people come from is not taking care of it's own people, and not addressing the problems of it's own country....that country certainly isn't doing anything to prohibit their own from exiting the country in an illegal fashion....
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    excellent post, moondancer. I await the OP's answers, too.
  10. by   unknown99
    Quote from moondancer
    Also, maybe it's because the country these people come from is not taking care of it's own people, and not addressing the problems of it's own country....that country certainly isn't doing anything to prohibit their own from exiting the country in an illegal fashion....

    Not necessarily true. In most parts of Mexico, a "good" wage is lucky to be $90 a week (yes, ninety a week). yes, prices are typically lower, on many things, such as food. However, generally a small pack of Pampers is around $30. A big bottle of Suave shampoo, which is around $1.50 here, is $5.00 there. Toilet tissue is around$7.00 for 4 rolls. Feminine hygiene products are double what they are here. ETC.............
    So, as you see it is very hard to raise a family there, even with that "good" wage.
    As far as Mexico not taking care of their own people, well, they have the same services there as we do here, onlyon a LOT less scale/ funds. When it all averages out, it is the same there as it is here.
    As far as Mexico not doing anything to prevent their own from exiting illegally, that is NOT true. They are doing just as much in preventing as the U.S. is doing. Have you ever been to a Border crossing??? It is easy to get into,but
    trying to cross back into the United States is not my idea of fun. They search you, your car, they tear thing out, they even search your baby's diaper. You have to show proof that you are legally aloud to be in the United States. The ones that do cross illegal, are alot less than those who do try to cross legally, without reason.
    I know it is a tough battle, that will never be solved, but just remember, people are people, no matter where they are from.
  11. by   gypsyatheart
    I'm sorry, I guess I am missing your point.... I stated that Mexico is not taking care of it's own....your own post reflects how poor their economy is...that is Mexico's problem, is it not? That due to the country's economic difficulties and lack of social programs, good paying jobs, etc., that the Mexicans are coming here?
    If it "all averages out", then why are so many desperately trying to get into the US?
    And I think that Mexico should be doing a heck of a lot more to prevent their citizens from illegally crossing the border...again, the US taxpayers paying for another country's problems....
    You are right, of course, people are people no matter where they are/come from. I just wish that an individual's own country would/could make more of an effort to help it's own people.....

    Quote from sagarcia210
    Not necessarily true. In most parts of Mexico, a "good" wage is lucky to be $90 a week (yes, ninety a week). yes, prices are typically lower, on many things, such as food. However, generally a small pack of Pampers is around $30. A big bottle of Suave shampoo, which is around $1.50 here, is $5.00 there. Toilet tissue is around$7.00 for 4 rolls. Feminine hygiene products are double what they are here. ETC.............
    So, as you see it is very hard to raise a family there, even with that "good" wage.
    As far as Mexico not taking care of their own people, well, they have the same services there as we do here, onlyon a LOT less scale/ funds. When it all averages out, it is the same there as it is here.
    As far as Mexico not doing anything to prevent their own from exiting illegally, that is NOT true. They are doing just as much in preventing as the U.S. is doing. Have you ever been to a Border crossing??? It is easy to get into,but
    trying to cross back into the United States is not my idea of fun. They search you, your car, they tear thing out, they even search your baby's diaper. You have to show proof that you are legally aloud to be in the United States. The ones that do cross illegal, are alot less than those who do try to cross legally, without reason.
    I know it is a tough battle, that will never be solved, but just remember, people are people, no matter where they are from.
  12. by   Alnamvet
    I don't have a solution angel eyes...I just put this post up to see what was on the minds of today's nurses. It's a problem alright, but not one where I would place blame on the country of Mexico. And golly gee whizz...some of you must also have a problem with your spell czech...can't seem to get mine to work. BTW, there seems to be a whole lot of souls willing to die for a America, and they're not even "legal". :stone
    Last edit by Alnamvet on Apr 14, '04
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Umm excuse me, my name is NOT not angel eyes. you can call me by my nick or real name, Deb, and I would appreciate at least as much respect as I give you, alnamvet.

    Now back the the original subject; I asked a legit question. It seems rather damn useless to whine and gripe about such problems yet in our inability or unwillingness to be part of the solution, we may inadvertently be part of the problem. Your OP seems to infer this, and if I am wrong I stand corrected. Now how about some mature and pleasant discourse? Can you do that? :uhoh21:
  14. by   Alnamvet
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Umm excuse me, my name is NOT not angel eyes. you can call me by my nick or real name, Deb, and I would appreciate at least as much respect as I give you, alnamvet.

    Now back the the original subject; I asked a legit question. It seems rather damn useless to whine and gripe about such problems yet in our inability or unwillingness to be part of the solution, we may inadvertently be part of the problem. Your OP seems to infer this, and if I am wrong I stand corrected. Now how about some mature and pleasant discourse? Can you do that? :uhoh21:

    Sure Deb...I stand corrected...as for the whine and gripe...I'm just posting an observation...so YOU stand corrected...as for maturity...well, at 55, I consider myself a work in progress...not perfect, but passionate about not being thin skinned and open to anything and everything...well, almost everything...I do hate ethnocentrists and racists.

close