Australia: Intersex reforms pave way forward - page 2

Groundbreaking new guidelines on recognising intersex, transgender and gender-diverse people in official documents could represent a major step forward in sex and gender-diverse rights... Read More

  1. by   TopazLover
    Why should your library card say anything on the subject? Can only man borrow certain books? It is not a recognized form of identification so why would or should it ID anyone by gender?
  2. by   tntrn
    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Why should your library card say anything on the subject? Can only man borrow certain books? It is not a recognized form of identification so why would or should it ID anyone by gender?
    You are right....it doesn't and it shouldn't. But that doesn't answer my question about why any one person can claim to be mail on one piece of ID and female on another.
  3. by   herring_RN
    I didn't have enough information to have an opinion. The language of the policy makes it clear that gender identity will not be legally changed on a whim.

    It is OK to feel uncomfortable about this. Most people do. If we meet tourists from Australia I doubt we care what gender is on their passport.
    Mostly give them directions when they ask or discuss surfing at the beach.[
    And of course love working with Australian nurses.

    The passport policy was the first step in changing the way the Australian Government recognises sex and/or gender diversity in its records and documents. Under the passport policy, sex reassignment surgery is not a prerequisite to issue a passport in a new gender.

    Birth or citizenship certificates do not need to be amended for sex and gender diverse applicants to be issued a passport in their preferred gender.

    A letter from a medical practitioner certifying that the person has had, or is receiving, appropriate clinical treatment for gender transition to a new gender, is intersex and does not identify with the sex assigned to them at birth, is acceptable evidence of gender identity.

    A passport in a new sex mayalso be issued to applicants who have undergone sex reassignment surgery and have registered their change of sex with Registrars of Births, Deaths and Marriages or the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
    A passport may be issued to sex and gender diverse applicants in M (male), F (female) or X(indeterminate/unspecified/intersex).


    Draft AustralianGovernment Guidelines on the Recognition of Sex and Gender
    The categories of male and female are unchanged. There are a small number of people in Australia who fall outside this binary or will change their gender in their lifetime. The guidelines ensure Australian Government records can reflect this.

    http://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Pa...andGender.aspx
  4. by   TopazLover
    Rev. David Weekley, One Of First Transgender Methodist Clergyman, Shares His Story
    While not exactly what the thread is about - this article and video help people to understand more about transgendered individuals.
  5. by   sharpeimom
    When I was in high school, I knew a young man whose first name was his mother's maiden name - Lynne. It would have been nice if they'd left the "e" off, but they didn't. His birth certificate said he was male. He received a draft notice as did many other young men of that era.

    His driver's license, despite the very masculine photo, said female. Ditto for his passport. I don't know about his library card.
    Voter registration card says Lynne is male.

    So here's a male person with legal ID for both traditional genders. He had his driver's license corrected and eventually, his passport
    too, but what a hassle!

    I simply cannot imagine what transgender and intersex persons have been forced to endure.
  6. by   tewdles
    A transgendered lifestyle cannot be an easy life, although I hope it is one that can be filled with the joys and blessings of a more "conventional" heterosexual life.

    In this regard, the depth of difficulty, sorrow, pain, scorn, etc that is experienced with transgender lifestyle would suggest that it is NOT a choice, at least not in the way we would choose a career, for example. Instead, it is something the person is compelled to pursue as part of their personal contentment in life.

    It is not anti-social.
    It is not hateful.
    It is not an exclusive club (ie: "you can't belong because you are "too black", or "too female", or "too male", or "too Christian"). You may socialize with them if you will.
    It is not judgmental...although some will judge you if you judge them.

    On a civil level, there has to be a way for transgenders to live amongst us in a free and unencumbered way. They do not require special rights, they just require equal rights.

    We will never end individual bigotry and racism and hatred in this country. I have my own individual issues, as each of us do. Figuring out how to minimize our community level bigotry, bias, and fear is the hard part, IMHO

    There will, for some time, be women who will be uncomfortable if they KNEW that a transgendered male was using her bathroom/locker room at the same time. It is not necessary that she/they know. Not their business. That transgendered male is NOT there to look at their/her butt! He/she is there to preserve their own sense of modesty and "correctness".

    The more I think through this (on quiet reflecting vacations into the wilds of Alaska), I know that our civil society must evolve to include these personal freedoms.

    On a philosophical note, how could we possibly accept alien visitors and their values when we cannot even accept other occupants of our own planet?
  7. by   herring_RN
    How Common is Intersex? An Explanation of the Stats
    The most thorough existing research finds intersex people to constitute an estimated 1.7% of the population*, which makes being intersex about as common as having red hair (1%-2%).
    However, popularly misinterpreted, much referenced statistics would have you believe are numbers are much lower. Here’s why...
    How Common is Intersex? An Explanation of the Stats. – Intersex Campaign for Equality
  8. by   herring_RN
    Judge rules in favor of intersex veteran who was denied passportNovember 23, 2016
    A federal judge ruled Tuesday in favor of Dana Zzyym, an intersex Navy veteran who sued the State Department for a passport that would reflect a gender other than “male” or “female.”..
    ... Zzyym was born intersex, uses the pronoun “they” and does not identify as male or female. As a child, Zzyym was raised as a boy after receiving surgeries that “traumatized [them] and left them with severe scarring,” according to Lambda Legal, who represents them...
    Judge rules in favor of intersex veteran who was denied passport | PBS NewsHour
  9. by   herring_RN
    First US person to have 'intersex' on birth certificate: 'There’s power in knowing who you are'
    ara Kelly Keenan didn’t think a Google search would change her life.
    But in 2009, at age 48, a few clicks revealed the truth that her parents and doctors had hidden for decades: Keenan is intersex – biologically a mix between male and female.

    After meeting someone with a similar condition, Keenan’s online research and a later appointment with an endocrinologist confirmed that she was born genetically male with female genitalia and a mixed reproductive anatomy.

    “It never occurred to me that I was going to uncover a 30-year lie,” she said. “It was really shocking to learn that I had been duped about my own body.”
    Keenan, 55, has soared to international fame in recent weeks after she became the first person in the US to obtain a birth certificate with “intersex” on it.
    Activists said it’s a groundbreaking moment in the fight for intersex rights that could help pave the way for public officials, doctors and parents to better recognize and respect a marginalized group...
    First US person to have 'intersex' on birth certificate: 'There’s power in knowing who you are' | World news | The Guardian
  10. by   herring_RN
    Your Beautiful Child: Information for Parents
    Congratulations on the Birth of your Baby!
    This information addresses common questions and concerns regarding variations in sex development, also known as intersex variations, to help you welcome your baby and make decisions that promote the health and well-being of your child and the entire family.
    http://oii-usa.org/wp-content/upload...iful-Child.pdf
  11. by   heron
    One of the biggest barriers faced by transgendered and intersexed people is the mistaken assumption of immutable binary gender identity.

    I highly recommend reading Stone Butch Blues by the late Leslie Feinberg. Not easy reading ... the novel shares the experience of being an invisible person and the enormous pressures brought to bear to stay that way. When our language is limited to he, she and it, how is an intersexed person to think about the self without feeling invisible and crazy?
  12. by   herring_RN
    I think I'll buy the paperback and then look at the study guide.
    It seems to be a novel based on real people.
    Stone Butch Blues Summary & Study Guide

    Since being intersex is about as common as having red hair I probably know lot of people who are.
    Only two people have told me they are intersex.
    One found out in old age. She was never mutilated. I've known her almost 50 years.
    When she was in her sixties she applied for a passport and discovered her birth certificate had her recorded as a male.
    She had to pay a government physician to examine her. She was horrified because she was married with four kids. Just a large clitoris. Clearly she was healthy.
    I've cared for quite a few women like that. Most seemed to think it was a normal variant. Some were a bit embarrassed or asked if I'd seen it before. After the first (in a nursing home patient) I said, "Yes".
    Unfortunately too many babies have had their clitoris reduced or removed. A tragic mutilation.
    (I know there is a life threatening adrenal insufficiency that presents with an enlarged clitoris in an XX baby and no outward sign in an XY baby. It can be fatal and must be treated. But not with needless surgery.

    The other is not a close friend. He was 40 when he told me about this because I'm a nurse and he didn't want the other people in the club we belong to knowing.
    His nickname is gender neutral. His parents took him home AMA when doctors wanted him to be operated on. I don't know what operation was suggested.
    He got his menstrual period when a teen.
    Was attracted to girls.
    Began shaving.
    He told me he went to counselling recommended by his doctor.
    He decided at age 18 to be a man, although he really feels like both man and woman. He takes no hormones. He's a bit overweight and wears loose shirts or tees, jeans, and athletic shoes.
    He was dyslexic until asking for help in Jr. high because he loved reading science fiction. His grades improved then too. He loves to talk about that.
    He's a gamer. He is outgoing within the geek or nerd social groups and has a girlfriend. They don't live together.
    He use to work in a factory. Now does data entry.
    Although he doesn't stand out in a crown he looks sort of female when clean shaven and his hair is long.
    Looks male with a crew cut and beard.
  13. by   heron
    My late spouse id'd as trans rather than intersexed, but was not healthy enough to transition. S/he eventually came to accept hir femaleness along with hir maleness, but it was a lifelong struggle. It paid off for me ... as a femme, the single most compelling thing about a butch is that interplay between masculinity and femininity ... cis gendered folk have no idea.
    Last edit by heron on Mar 27

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