Anyone remember when Good Friday wasn't wasted on Jews/Arabs Conflicts?

  1. Am I the only one sick and tired of hearing about the Israeli's and Palestinians? The eternal Jew and Arab Conflict? It will never end. I don't understand why as a free Christian nation we have to have this conflict on the "front burner" every dam__d day! Actually I do understand . Follow the money. I was reading an article that says Israel cannot make it on its' own. That without our 7 billion tax dollars every year, they would be just another poor mideast nation. So, if they cease the war with the Arabs and get put on the back burner of world events, they jeopardize their claim on our tax dollars. The wheel that squeaks gets the grease. Another article said that Israel is " the tail that wags the dog." (the U.S. being the dog) Well, that certainly is true. Wouldn't it be great if we Christians could celebrate our Easter holidays without being blasted with Israeli tanks on the front page? Last Christmas.....ditto, and every day since. (And fifty years before that. ) Sharon will never agree to a peaceful settlement. What would he use for an excuse for MORE American dollars?
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  3. by   Zhakrin
    I personally think that both sides have valid points but the war is not about jews or arabs its about geography. LAND plain and simple. Palestine has some and isreal wants it.

    Isreal provokes the palestine by sending in bulldoser and leveling people homes then palestine relaitates. Then isreal feel embarrassed and relaitates. the cycle never ends.

    I do not side with palestine ether, their militants are butchers of innocents and there can NEVER be justification to blow up a littles girls party.

    Isreal is gun happy and palestine is without a solid leader or control of itself. Both sides have taken to gunning down pregnant women. even some solders have stated that they have orders to kill all paestines on sight (to their credit some have the refused).

    BOTH sides are idolts, both sides prevent peace.
    Only after a real clash where 1000s die or even a 100,000, will the international community finally say enough is enough and put such overwhemling presure on all parties for a resolution that peace COULD become possible. BIG IF & COULD there.

    Sorry guys but for two beatiful and supposfully peaceful cultures to have committed such horrid acts of continual violence a line need to be drawn.

    BOTTOM LINE: to both sides

    We (the internation community) no long wish to hear any excuse or jusitfication or further talk on the issues of the cause of the conflict, because it is all BS anyway. The violence ends now or we will inpose such severe sactions on all parties that nether party will be able to sustain a military period. I would rather see people have to plant veggie to feed their children than planning to blow up someone elses.

    Personally should Isreal use their trump card (nukes) for any reason they should be labeled a threat to gobal security and lose the right to self governace.

    Hot topic!!! flame away
  4. by   prn nurse
    However, the issue I am hoping to address is: Do we Christians have any rights in a 50 year old war? How many Americans wanted to tour Jerusalum this Easter ? Israel is bombing Palestinian areas today. I don't think it is about the land. It is about money...the seven billion dollars. It is like two kids fighting over a toy. The object is to get and keep moms' attention. The Jews and Arabs have our attention...that is my complaint. When was the last time you heard the news that the first report wasn't about the Israeli's? It is a huge world out there and we are being "socialized" that the only issues worth hearing about/reading about are Israels'. A country the size of Rhode Island with twelve million people is yanking the U.S. around like a puppetmaster. Americans are being "wagged" by the media and who controls it? Christians have heard this whining for so long that they have forgotten how perfect the holidays could be. How perfect they were.
    Last edit by prn nurse on Mar 29, '02
  5. by   fergus51
    Has war ever taken a holiday? Why would it stop at easter when it doesn't stop for passover or ramadan or christmas?

    For myself, if I don't want to hear about bad things, unfortunately, the only thing I can do is not open the newspaper or watch the news on tv. I don't expect the news to not print bad news because it's a holiday.
  6. by   rncountry
    Why would you believe seriously that this conflict is about money? You are offended to have to hear about it on Good Friday? Just think how offended the Israelies are to have their citizens blown up on Passover. The only thing that would come close to that in our world is for 9/11 to have taken place on Christmas or Easter.
    It is as if you wish to bring up old prejudices about Jews and money. But then why not. A columnist in the Saudi daily Al-Riyadh took it upon herself to explain the rituals of Purim and Passover. The first holiday(which took place in February) commemorates the story of Esther's saving the Jews of Persia from Extinction. It's a rollicking, harddrinking, happy time for most celebrants. Some call it the Jewish Mardi Gras. Passover is more somber. Each of these celebrations are rich in symbolism. But that is not what the columnist, a medical doctor at Faisal University Hospital, told her readers.
    For the Purim pastries, she said, " the Jewish people
    must obtain human blood" and for Passover, there are some special requirements: "the blood of Christian and Muslim children under the age of 10 must be used" and so, in clinical detail, Dr. Umayma Ahmad al-Jalahma recounted a hideous libel that dates back to the crusades. "A needle-studded barrel is used" she told us. "The victim suffers dreadful torment-torment that affords the Jewish vampires great delight." You do get the idea about this do you not? This column appeared in the government sanctioned newspaper shortly before Vice President Cheney arrived in Saudi Arabia for talks.
    Everything happening in the Middle East is all the Israelis fault right? And of course it is all to do with their money and their control of others money. I do believe that theory was put forth in the booklet called the Elders of Zion in the beginning of the 20th century. It contributed heavily to the pograms against the Jews not only in Russia but in all of Eastern Europe. How sad to see the same basic libel tossed out in the 21st century and by someone who lives in a country that aspires to the ideal that race, religion and creed should not matter. One can only shake their head at that.
  7. by   meribelle
    From what I understand the conflict is about LAND and both sides Palestine and Isreal constantly blame ea other for terrorist acts. I remember hearing that they both blamed ea. other for 9/11. Palestine said that Isreal was responsible and vice versa, well we all know who was responsible for 9/11.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand the situation, Isreal is occupying land that supposedly belongs to Palestine and it has something to do with the Koran or Torah. So I think that Isreal does not want to leave or be pushed out and where would the people of Isreal go?

    Of course it could be that Palestine is occupying land that belongs to Isreal so maybe it depends on which side you are listening to.

    I'm confused and really wish they would resolve their conflict and stop the madness.
  8. by   prn nurse
    Fergus, wars don't take holidays. But is the israeli - palestinian "war" OUR war? Isn't it enough that we give israel 7 billion dollars every year? Those are our hard earned dollars. Israel cannot survive without our 7 Billion. Those Israeli bombs and fighter planes are American $ bought. The Jews and Arabs have been fighting for 2000 years. I figure they will fight 2000 more. The point I am trying to make is: Why do we Americans and the non-Jew and non-Arabs of the world have to tolerate THEIR war in our faces 365 days a year? This is their war.
  9. by   fergus51
    Us non-Jews and non-Muslims hear about it because their war affects us. If the events of September 11th taught us nothing else, I hope it taught us that we don't live in an American Christian bubble anymore. We can't just ignore what goes on internationally because we think it isn't our business because it IS.
  10. by   prn nurse
    It has been fifty years since Americans enjoyed the privilege of living in a Christian bubble. Even then, we were the free world's protectors and defenders. But, this week in 2002, I would like to see Christian or non-Christian activities on the front page. I'd enjoy seeing any religions' activities, anything but Israel's and Palestinians antics. Just a few days out of 365, couldn't we have the Israeli's and Palestinians' conflicts on Page Two? You should see our local newspaper's front page...yesterdays and todays. Can't wait to see Easter morning's front page. I'm sure the Israeli's and Palestinians will grab center stage. Anyone in America under age forty does not remember when our news was not about this chronic conflict. It has altered our culture. The generations X'ers understand this daily blast as "normal". The conflict is insidious....just like the Israeli hand in my pocket every payday. It is bad enough to pay for their livelihood, but do we have to inculcate it into our lives with the breakfast cereal? Every Day?
  11. by   donmurray
    It seems to me that being blasted with Israeli tanks on the front page is preferable to having them do that thing on the front doorstep. You can't stop suicide bombers by terrorising the population that they come from. Arafat's standing with his people rises with every new excess by Sharon, who is hated by the Palestinians, not least for his involvement in the massacres in Sabra and Chatila refugee camps. Those two old men are still fighting their battles from 30 years ago, while their young people die.
  12. by   fergus51
    prn, I understand that you don't want to see it. My solution is simple: Don't look. You can't really expect journalism to take a few days off to report on happier times for the holiday.

    As an aside, I would argue that a lot of Americans do live in a bubble. Probably because they don't read newspapers.
  13. by   semstr
    And on the front page was the Queen-mum. God bless her Soul.
  14. by   donmurray
    Now that is one thing I could do without!!