Anyone else getting angrier about deaths in Iraq?

  1. I find myself getting more and more angry each day. When I awoke the other day to find out yet more Americans were killed in Iraq, I was physically sick to my stomach. When is our current government going to get a CLUE and get people the heck out of there? Is anyone else getting angrier about this by the day?
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  3. by   Mkue
    Fallujah is where you will find most saddam loyalists.

    I'm more angry with those who do not want peace in Iraq the Saddam loyalists, insurgants and terrorists.

    I also wonder if we need more troops in Iraq and I wonder if we are just getting by with the bare minimum amount of troops, I don't know. Kerry has stated he would send more troops to Iraq if elected.

    Each death makes me very angry but I don't think running away from thugs and terrorists is the answer. I think we need to better protect our troops and contractors from those who do not want peace in Iraq.
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    It's taking a lot of self-control not to hate an entire nation for what has just happened.

    (And NO i am NOT referring to the U.S. either!)
  5. by   Energizer Bunny
    See, I am one of those that thinks we were there for the wrong reasons and should have gotten out as soon as we realized there were no WMD. I don't understand why we have to be peacekeeper of the world (other countries that used to be our allies are backing out of helping) and we neglect our own suffering people right here in our country. I am furious that so many lives are lost and so much money is being spent. There just has to be a better way....
  6. by   movealong
    I didn't agree with going to war with Iraq. But once we were there and Saddam was overthrown and the Iraqi nation in chaos; I believe we have a moral duty to stay until some type of order is established.

    Power hates a vaccum and if we were to pull out, the vaccum would be filled, and probably not for the better.

    This is where I find alot of fault with Bush and co. Very poor planning for after the war. Certainly there was no doubt the force of the US military winning. But what about after? We are in a very bad situation, so many pitfalls. We are supposed to show them what a free society will be for them. BUT, closing down newspapers being published there because they incite uprisings and violence is one example. I understand the dangers of letting these newspapers publish, but it doesn't exactly show them what free speech is all about, does it? Same goes for elections; we are worried about one religious sect coming into power there. Understandable, but again, free elections should be just that: free. There are so many contradictions we have to face, and it will be extremely diffucult, if not impossible, to manage to show them what a free society is, and yet want to manage the outcomes( to our favor), which is not what a free and open society is supposed to be. I'm afraid we have gotten into a situation in which we will never win.

    Not to mention the fact that we opened up Iraq to all kinds of rebels, and fundies that places not only our tropps at risk, but the civilian population as well.

    The amount of poor planning and lack of insight is amazing to me. Maybe we should send more troops and really try to clean the country out of rebels and fundies in a large concentrated effort with more than the bare min. of troops and try to get control of the situation.
  7. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from movealong
    I didn't agree with going to war with Iraq. But once we were there and Saddam was overthrown and the Iraqi nation in chaos; I believe we have a moral duty to stay until some type of order is established.

    Power hates a vaccum and if we were to pull out, the vaccum would be filled, and probably not for the better.

    This is where I find alot of fault with Bush and co. Very poor planning for after the war. Certainly there was no doubt the force of the US military winning. But what about after? We are in a very bad situation, so many pitfalls. We are supposed to show them what a free society will be for them. BUT, closing down newspapers being published there because they incite uprisings and violence is one example. I understand the dangers of letting these newspapers publish, but it doesn't exactly show them what free speech is all about, does it? Same goes for elections; we are worried about one religious sect coming into power there. Understandable, but again, free elections should be just that: free. There are so many contradictions we have to face, and it will be extremely diffucult, if not impossible, to manage to show them what a free society is, and yet want to manage the outcomes( to our favor), which is not what a free and open society is supposed to be. I'm afraid we have gotten into a situation in which we will never win.

    Not to mention the fact that we opened up Iraq to all kinds of rebels, and fundies that places not only our tropps at risk, but the civilian population as well.

    The amount of poor planning and lack of insight is amazing to me. Maybe we should send more troops and really try to clean the country out of rebels and fundies in a large concentrated effort with more than the bare min. of troops and try to get control of the situation.
    You make a very good point about the poor planning for Post-War Iraq. I never really thought of it very much before this. They really should have had an inkling of planning for the day Iraq was liberated. I also think that we need to clean up the mess that we made, but if they hate us so much over there, I am wondering why we bother? I was just reading in the NY Times about how some actually feel pride over killing Americans....well, let them rebuild their own darn country then!!! *sigh* but, unfortunately, GWB got us in this mess (and I'm not saying Kerry would definately get us out so please don't make this into a political attack) and we are ALL going to pay for it (no matter who is elected President this year).
  8. by   Mkue
    Quote from CNM2B
    I also think that we need to clean up the mess that we made.
    Saddam left quite a mess, neglected many areas in Iraq, schools, hospitals were run down, many areas were without food and running water. At least that's what I've been told by troops who have returned from Iraq.
  9. by   OC_An Khe
    What GWB didn't understand is that we weren't fighting one man or a unified people in IRAQ but rather the Sunni tribe, just because Saddam is gone and another faction is going to take power (Shites or Kurds) the fighting and killing is not going to end. Tribal warfare is just that and doesn't really end until one tribe no longer essentially exists as a tribe.
  10. by   duckboy20
    At times when I hear of soldiers being killed I am gung ho for getting the rest of our troops out. It also makes me think again when I see interviews of soldiers that have gotten home and said that they would go back in a heartbeat to help those people. It is one thing for us as a country to get all angry at our government for what we see and hear. But we need to realize that we get all our observations from a media that really only likes to show the negative perspective. The troops that are there actually see hands on the good things that are happening and the potential there.
  11. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    So if we get the troops out, what'll happen over there next? The problem is sure not going to get any better with them gone either.
    Last edit by Marie_LPN, RN on Apr 2, '04 : Reason: Punctuation was a personal challenge
  12. by   fergus51
    I get more saddened when I see the way the world is heading. Anger just seems off base for me.

    Either way, we can't afford to let anger control our policies here. I don't think Americans understand that this is IT. This is not a dress rehearsal, Iraq is where our reputation will be defined for our generation. Screw this one up, and every person who has ever said anything bad about Bush or American policies in general is 100% right and Americans can never complain about it again or ever expect our word to mean anything to anyone.
  13. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from mkue
    saddam left quite a mess, neglected many areas in iraq, schools, hospitals were run down, many areas were without food and running water. at least that's what i've been told by troops who have returned from iraq.
    but again, i don't think this is our problem (and of course you all have every right to disagree with me). we have enough neglected areas here to be taken care of. i don't understand why we have to be involved. i'm not saying that i don't feel for the iraqui people but they certainly weren't begging us to come over there and liberate them from the way they are acting now.

    screw this one up, and every person who has ever said anything bad about bush or american policies in general is 100% right and americans can never complain about it again or ever expect our word to mean anything to anyone.
    our word hasn't meant anything to anyone for an awful long time now. there is an article in reader's digest about how all the europeans were celebrating when 9/11 happened. we weren't shown the whole picture at the time, and only got the grief that the compassionate people felt. if these people can actually celebrate the loss of thousands of american lives, what makes you think they will ever take anything we say seriously or even care what our government says?

    it also makes me think again when i see interviews of soldiers that have gotten home and said that they would go back in a heartbeat to help those people.
    great! i am glad that some of them feel that way. they have every right to feel however they like, but i still think that this manpower is better used on our own soil. how about just protecting our borders? or more airline security instead of the lackluster job they are doing now? i also read in esquire magazine a bunch of letters of servicemen to their families and they were not happy to be there. some of them questioned exactly what they were doing there...and every single one of the letter writers is dead now.

    what gwb didn't understand is that we weren't fighting one man or a unified people in iraq but rather the sunni tribe, just because saddam is gone and another faction is going to take power (shites or kurds) the fighting and killing is not going to end. tribal warfare is just that and doesn't really end until one tribe no longer essentially exists as a tribe.
    this is one of the smartest things i have read about the war. halleleujah! someone makes perfect sense to me!

    so if we get the troops out, what'll happen over there next? the problem is sure not going to get any better with them gone either.
    i completely agree with you here, but at least our troops and civilians wouldn't be dying. though again, we made the mess, we must clean it up. i am just so saddened by the whole thing. i wish we had found wmd. then, at least this would all be somewhat justifiable in my eyes.
  14. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    The problem is that it might wind up our problem anyway if we just sit and watch and wait around for a bigger power to be built.

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