and our freedoms erode

  1. I found this, and was disgusted. This whole terrorism issue is rapidly eroding our freedoms. I wonder what is next.

    BTW this one worried me greatly, as I live in the freakin presidents neighborhood, and take an incredible amount of photos of anything that interests me.

    Anyway I just thought this would be a good place to vent on this.

    Amateur photographer arrested.
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  3. by   maureeno
    a couple of alarming things I've seen on the net turned out not to be true, I hope this is one of them. the magazine looks like it covers Irish issues so I'll be checking it out again. meanwhile let's all be sure to pay attention.
  4. by   kavi
    I agree with maureeno, I hope it's not real. I wonder if it might not be a satiric type publication like the Onion?

    Years ago, I was at a Cubs game and Hilary Clinton was coming. If you've ever been to Wrigley Field, you know it's surrounded by apartment buildings. There were snipers on every roof, and every kind of cop all over the stadium. When we came in, we were told not to take pictures of any of the security stuff, or our cameras would be confiscated and we risked arrest. And I think they announced it at least once later.

    So rightly or wrongly, that is their policy.

    Now I question this article because 1) how did he manage to take SO MANY pictures before they caught him? 2) Why would they call someone named Maginnis a raghead collaberator? Not that I approve of the term, but come on, Maginnis? That's definitely not Arab or Islamic.

    If it had happened in LA (sorry LA) it might have a ring of truth. Or even Chicago for those of us who remember '68 and the police riot. But Denver has never seemed a hotbed of radical out of line cops. Or maybe I've missed something.

    And of course if it is true, it was a horrible way for him to be treated. And sooner or later it will come out. I hope it is not true.
  5. by   kmchugh
    If true, I agree that it is a terrible abuse of authority and personal individual freedom. But I doubt the truth of this. Had this really occurred, the story would have received worldwide front page coverage. Not because the press leans one way or another, but because such a story is truly news. Such egregious violations of personal rights and liberty in the US would not pass unnoticed.

    A quick Google search this morning revealed no other such stories. I have to believe such an incident would receive wider coverage than just in a hacker online journal.

    Kevin McHugh
  6. by   Jenny P
    I hope this isn't true; and I also find it interesting that it isn't posted anywhere else than just in this online journal.

    Be that as it may, I have 2 true stories to tell here: one from 27 years ago, and one from 2 months ago; both happened to my Dear Hubby and me.

    1.) My DH and I bought ourselves our first nice camera 27 years ago, a SLR Fugica 35mm after coming back from a trip out west to meet my family and finding that both of our little range finder cameras had died on that trip. We didn't get even a dozen half way decent pictures out of all we took, and we were upset by that. So we bought this really nice camera and went out as decided to practice taking pictures with it. We drove around and took pictures of the skyline, the sunsets, etc.: in short, the usual type of pictures that first time camera owners take. Well, one of the spots we stopped and took pictures was up on a hill overlooking the freeway, had a nice view of the Minneapolis skyline (looking West, so nice sunset scene too). We were up on this hill focusing on a flag in the distance when all at once this security car comes up out of no where and these 2 large guys come over to see what we are doing! They start grilling us about why we are there, etc.! I mean, this is by a cemetary and golf course; we can't see anything wrong and there are no signs that we are on private property! We then try to show them the flag we are focused on (the camera was on a tripod we'd borrowed); and they are reading us the riot act! Finally, one of them looks through the camera, gives the okay sign to the other, and they leave! So we watch them and see that we are overlooking the Honeywell parking lot which was farther to our right than where we were looking! They thought we were spying on Honeywell!

    2.) The second story is that when we were out West this past September for the scattering of my Dad's ashes, the motel we were booked in was literally CRAWLING with all sorts of different security agents! There was a gem show going on there, but when it ended on Sunday, there were still tons of these security agents all over. There was a check in table and signs about testing (such as "No weapons allowed in the testing areas," and "ID badges will be visible at all times" etc.) plastered all over. I mean, we felt really SAFE, you know? We were there a week, and finally this one guy at the registration table said something about the homeland security agency.

    So, there has been a concern about what type of pictures you are taking and where you are shooting them for many years. And yes, there is going to be more security around in the future.
  7. by   LasVegasRN
    I'll start by donning my flame suit. No, take that back, no suit needed, I can take it.

    Get used to it. It happens to people all the time. Except now it's not just going to be exclusively SOME people.

    I'm sure you've heard the term, DWB. Yes, I got pulled over by a cop for DWB - Driving While Black. Before you get in an uproar, most of you know me NOT to bang the racist drum all the time here. I haven't had to since some problem people were eradicated from the board. But, I ask you to be open minded for a moment, look at my avatar, and question why I would be pulled over for no apparent reason.

    It was a fall day, I was driving through the neighborhood of Bratenahl, a suburb of Cleveland. Think "old money". Very old, wealthy, powerful money. It's not a gated area, it's not designated as a private area. I was on the main street, Lakeshore Blvd, just driving through. One of the shoreside mansions was being remodeled and I slowed down to admire the view. So did a few other cars in front of me.

    Blaring lights, 2 cop cars, I was pulled over.
    "What is your business in this neighborhood?" I was asked. I said I was just driving through.
    "Be on your way." I was told.
    I was followed by BOTH cop cars to the end of the suburb. *****

    Could have been worse, I know. DWB. It's real. Now the "average citizen" is going to know what it feels like.
  8. by   Youda
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    Could have been worse, I know. DWB. It's real. Now the "average citizen" is going to know what it feels like.
    I've read a couple of your posts talking about this, Vegas. I have to say that I am really stunned that this kind of thing continues.

    And, you are right. The average citizen is going to learn that unprovoked and innocent acts can lead to suspicion. I did an internet search for "nuclear weapons" because I wanted to read about the countries who have nuclear weapons after all the talk about Iraq having them. Just to educate myself. I read timelines, the proliferate of them, who has them and how many, where they got them, etc. And for every website I visited, I was very much aware that by simply LEARNING, visiting websites that spoke of historical FACTS, and being concerned about world affairs was putting me smack dab into the government "watch lists" and my activity from now on would be monitored. Paranoid? Not at all. This is now the world we live in.
  9. by   kmchugh
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    I'm sure you've heard the term, DWB. Yes, I got pulled over by a cop for DWB - Driving While Black. Before you get in an uproar, most of you know me NOT to bang the racist drum all the time here. I haven't had to since some problem people were eradicated from the board. But, I ask you to be open minded for a moment, look at my avatar, and question why I would be pulled over for no apparent reason.
    First, no flame suit necessary. DWB. It happens. Once is way too often, and it happens way more than once. Among some cops, DWB is a joke, and they find it funny. It isn't. Period.

    But, Vegas, look at the article, and look at what others have said. I just don't think this one ever happened. But, you've got me thinking. Maybe it should. Maybe some of the more ignorant bigots would begin to understand how degrading being stopped for DWB is. And maybe we could start to put a stop to that crap.

    Kevin McHugh

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