America the Beautiful

  1. Subject: Immigrants and Americans

    After the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim
    woman have her picture on her drivers license with her face
    covered, this is even more appropriate.

    Read on, please!

    This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published
    in a Tampa Newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he?


    I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
    offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
    attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism
    by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks
    had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began
    complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was
    offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a
    grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
    America. Our population is almost entirely comprised of
    descendants of immigrants.
    However, there are a few things that those who have recently
    come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
    This idea of America being a multicultural community has served
    only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,
    or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

    I couldn't agree more. America IS it's own culture and slowly it is being eaten away. We need to preserve AMERICAN culture, as it IS a culture too.

    Rock on.
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  2. 262 Comments

  3. by   misti_z
    Very good! :spin:
  4. by   hapeewendy
    well I'm not american and that could probably explain why I dont agree with this article at all.....
    I'm all for patriotism and pride for your nation, but why do ppl have to give up their cultural beliefs just to live in the US?
    I mean is there anything wrong with both adopting the US culture *whatever that may be, sorry but it has to go beyond the stars and stripes and the national anthem* why cant a person be multicultural? I dont think its fair or right for a nation that prides itself in freedom of speech and freedom of expression to try to get ppl to abandon their culture just because they have become american citizens.
    I love living in Canada because of all the different cultures and experiences brought by ppl who although are canadian, and are proud to be so, did not give up the traditions from their homeland.
    you can still preserve your culture without getting rid of every other culture..
    its up to you to keep your culture alive.
    this person who wrote this article did a major diservice to those of us reading it from any place other than the US , dont put him on a pedestal , cuz I guarentee that people world wide wouldnt appreciate the msg he is trying to spew out to the masses.
    although probably well intentioned, wanting to preserve the culture of his beloved homeland, this article says nothing more to me than if he , and many others had their way, there would only be one culture, the american one....
    its a fine line between patriotism and hypocricy..
    if you really do believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression, then it should bother you that one of your fellow countreymen wants people to not be able to express their cultural beliefs while living in your wonderful country.

    look beyond your borders, the US has the support of many nations, but sadly also has many that want to backlash against the US , in part due to beliefs like the one that man wrote about.....
    if you examine where a lot of the american culture has come from , you will realize that the roots of your heritage come from all over the world....
    its about respect, you give it you get it
    I'm sure all the people who have come to the US are happy for the chance to better their lives, but articles like that do not do anything to make them feel welcome or important to society in general.
  5. by   nursedawn67
    Well this is probably off of what the topic is...but I think if this lady wants a drivers license she needs to show her face at least for the can you ID her? So then she can commit a crime or something and just not wear her veil.....You didn't know what she looks like anyhow in the pic she had half of her face covered!...........

    I happen to agree that if you want to live in America you should have to and want to adapt somewhat...I don't mean get rid of all your beliefs, but adapt. If you don't want to adapt then why did you come to America??? you could have stayed in your own country and lived like you always have.
  6. by   Q.

    I really think the point of the article is the obvious dilution of "American culture" which is Christmas and all it's commercialized glory, fast-food, a hard work ethic, fast times, fast information, freedoms, Christianity, July 4th, hamburgers, BBQs, parades, cars, free enterprise, etc.

    Right or wrong, this is our culture, and IT shouldn't be abandoned because you (not YOU personally) are an immigrant living here.

    For example, say I relocated to a rural part of Japan where shoes are not allowed indoors for sacred reasons. Do I as an American immigrant demand that not only am I allowed to wear shoes indoors, but the rest of Japan should as well?

    If I move to Germany, do I demand as an immigrant that German NOT be named the official language and English be instead because it is more world-wide?

    If some holiday is considered a national holiday in Ireland, do I as an immigrant demand it's public observance be kept to a minimum because I don't agree with it's principles or religious affiliation, though it's been practiced that way for centuries?
    No, no and no.

    In those other countries, as an immigrant, I may even be SILENCED from privately observing my OWN beliefs, but here in America, we let you observe yours openly. But we DON'T want to ABANDON OUR beliefs because you (again, not YOU personally) take offense to it.
  7. by   hapeewendy
    what youre saying is one thing
    what the man who wrote the article is saying is quite another.....

    it may be similar but its not the same
    and you bring up good points about other cultures and respecting their beliefs and practices, I'm just trying to point out that as a civilized nation and one that prides itself on freedoms, what this guy is writing doesnt help the cause...
    I'm not dogging you for your beliefs.....
    I see that youre a proud american
    and of course if you went to any of the countries with any of the scenarios that you mentioned it would be expected that you would follow the beliefs and "laws" of the land.... however it doesnt mean that you would abandon your own beliefs and practices that you hold close to your heart.
    I see many immigrants that come to the US and Canada for that matter that do exactly what is "expected of them" , I.E - get jobs, contribute to society, pay taxes, yadda yadda, but in the privacy of their own home, hell even in the middle of the biggest of cities, they should be able to retain their culture, and the beliefs that go along with it.
    I didnt realize that there were immigrants all over the place trying to change the practices of your culture, I just think in some small way they are trying to maintain their own.
    and greer - while I appreciate what youre saying, many ppl do not come to The U.S. by choice.
    you tell me , if youre living in india, israel, china or some of the like, that you wouldnt want to go to a country that has freedom as a prime belief?
    but does it mean that because youre living in the states that you have to stop praying to your own gods, waving your nations flag with pride alongside the american one or that you cant feel bad for the injustices that go on in your motherland, yes even at the hands of your fellow americans sometimes?
    I think everyone living in the states should be proud to be living there.....
    and its up to every individual to pass on their cultural beliefs , this is what makes tradition and culture so great, not annihilating every culture so that the one you hold so dear is the only one...

    I live in toronto , which is hugely multicultural and its awesome, It makes you appreciate where others come from ,and be able to take part in their cultures in addition to exposing them to yours
  8. by   Q.
    It's too bad you got what you did from the article, because I really believe he was trying to say what I pointed out. Alot of times our motto "In God We Trust" has been criticized and not allowed in schools to not "offend" those who aren't Christian. Again, if you aren't Christian, that is just fine as we as Americans CAN allow you practice whatever religion you chose, versus another country which forces you to practice a certain way, but at the the same time, those who aren't Christian shouldn't disallow us to say or post "In God we Trust."
    There are groups here in America who are trying to eliminate that phrase from our coin!
    There is a city here who's city flag had a cross in it's design, and it had to be removed because it offended some and the whole "separation of church and state" thing. I think that argument has been taken too far; it's intended to protect the freedom to practice any religion without state interference, not to remove crosses from city flags that are centuries old!

    Some companies are not allowed to observe Christmas, because not everyone believes in it. Again, fine, but Christmas is an AMERICAN culture thing. We can argue all day long that Americans are all ethnicities and religions now, but that is my very point. American culture is being diluted and I for one feel it's a shame. It's so diluted that we don't even know what it is anymore.
  9. by   Sleepyeyes
    Totally agree with that editorial.

    Kudos to the writer.
    Wow Susy... I've read this after an interesting day at work.

    Let me start by saying that I love my patients, and I give everyone the same care - the care I would want for myself or my family.

    But I had a patient, new parents actually, that spoke not one word of English. Nada. (no pun intended) Most of my patients speak this form of broken, modified English that enables us to at least make it through the day with everyone safe, comfortable, and fed. Every single thing that we needed to communicate, we had to call a translator.

    I'm not asking them to throw their culture away. But if you want care in my country, if you want to take a bit of money from my paycheck every week to have babies, and if you want me to provide the safest care and education that I can provide... learn my language.

    My 2 pennies.

  11. by   cargal
    The Constitution is part of our culture and it guarantees freedom of religion and separation of church and state. I don't want Christianity forced on me or my children. The constitution guarantees your right to send your children to a school of your choice-private, Catholic, religious, homeschooled or otherwise. Please don't subject your religion on me. The founders of America left England to search for religious freedom. This also means freedom from religion.
    I love the United States because of it's diversity. We choose colleges for our children to expose them to people from other cultures, or not. We are free to choose. Our ancestors were from other countries that brought us the Christmas Tree, St. Patrick's Day, easter eggs, Hannuka etc. Other cultures don't dilute our culture, they add to it!
  12. by   Q.

    Would eliminating "In God We Trust" from your dollar bills really make you feel like Christianity isn't being "forced" on you?

    Do you really feel that by not being allowed to say the Pledge because it contains "God" in its verse, isn't diluting our culture because other cultures are demanding it's removal because it's offensive?
    Last edit by Susy K on May 8, '02
  13. by   cargal
    I don't believe we became "afraid of offending other cultures" as much as the fear that September 11 would unleash a multitude of hate crimes against certain cultures. I did witness it first hand at JFK in late November. Yes, I think immigrants should learn English as a polite gesture. No, eliminating "In God We Trust" would not make me feel as though Christianity is being forced on me. I feel that it should be eliminated because we are a free nation with separation of church and state. I realize this is not a popular stance, but that is my opinion as a citizen of the United States. If you want to say the pledge of allegience with "God" in its verse, go ahead, please, but I defend my right not to say it.
    The issue at hand, though, is the dilution of our culture by immigrants. I value the influence of foreign cultures. Should they adapt to our system, our work ethics, our language? Which system, which work ethic and which language? Let's teach our teenagers how to speak our language too. Like ya know? I say live and let live, that is America!
  14. by   Q.
    Originally posted by cargal
    No, eliminating "In God We Trust" would not make me feel as though Christianity is being forced on me. I feel that it should be eliminated because we are a free nation with separation of church and state.
    As an American, I respect your opinion. But with all due respect, I sure hope your wish doesn't come true. I feel that would be a great tragedy to this nation; and once that motto goes, what's next? Our flag? Alicia Keys (a jazz singer) has been quoted as saying she resents our flag and wouldn't fly it during 9/11, and was quite offended at it's presence because of the history of slavery in our country. If she had her way she would create a new flag.

    Sometimes I wonder if my grandchildren will even know the 13 original colonies and the author of the US Constitution.