America Suffering

  1. In the grand scheme of things not many Americans have died. Not many of our children have died in bombing, not many of our schoolchildren died when their school was blown up. Not many of our kids died when their bus was bombed. Not many of our citizens have died when our water was too poisoned to drink. The terrorists feel it is time. I fear many more Americans will die in the coming years. We will learn what suffering truely means, we have inflicited enough on others. When a nuclear bomb blows up one of our major cities and millions die then we can say we know how to suffer and we are ashamed. We need to give peace a chance and sacrifice a few of the people of our great nation. We must pay a price for our arrogance.
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  2. 39 Comments

  3. by   Dplear
    when they ask for volunteers to step up and be sacraficed will you be the first in line? Your statemnets are disgusting to say the least. When one of our school children dies in a bombing when one of our people is poisoned by chemical warfare when one of our buildings are blown up...that is ONE TOO MANY. We do not need to say we need to have more inflicted on us before we can say we have suffered enough. WE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH NOW. I am tired of hearing how people degrade our nation and our beliefs. I AM PROUD OF WHO I AM AND WHAT WE STAND FOR. I have no shame in what my country has done to others. I have no shame in my government. I have PRIDE in my self and in my people and government. If you are so ashamed of who you are and what we have done I suggest that you go somewhere else and live for a while and see how good you have it here and then see why so many people are trying so hardf to get here. Sacrafice a few of our own....just try to sacrafice my children...then the fight will REALLY be on.
  4. by   Jenny P
    WHY?????

    I'm not sure where in Sam Hill you are coming from, but there are so many Americans who have given their love, time, money, and effort in helping people all around the world in so many ways that I can't even begin to count them. Just think: there was the Marshall Plan; and where does the Peace Corps come from? and what about the Red Cross? Why should Americans "pay for our arrogance?" I have several "adopted" children in Latin America that I support every month; and I also give generously to local and world wide charities as do many other people across this country. There are so many people I know that volunteer so much to helping others that are less blessed.
    I believe in giving peace a chance, and have been working towards that cause for many years. I do not believe that this country has selfishly kept its blessings from others; we have given to others more than any other country around.

    No, I do not feel this country has to suffer and be ashamed about what its people have done. We may at times not realize exactly how blessed we are, but we do share our wealth with others who are in need. Your statements don't make sense to me.
  5. by   fergus51
    I understand the imediate reaction is to be realy mad after reading this post. I was too. But I do think we need to understand why we are targetted for terrorism. This doesn't mean being ashamed of who we are, but it does mean taking a real good look at what we do and seeing if it is flaming the fires of hate around us. Americans do some great things around the world like Jenny mentioned. We also do some not so great things. It doesn't make the bombing our fault (IT IS NOT), but there is a reason we are targeted and it would be foolish to not adress that.

    I also agree that one death is one too many. Unfortunately in some countries things like this are just routine. It's absolutely horrifying to learn what terrorism is like on a global scale. We have been very lucky to not have experienced anything this bad before.
  6. by   semstr
    he of oc course there's no need to Abomb U-cities or to blow up schoolbusses with US-children just to get to know the feeling of being in a war. That is ridiculous!
    But, about arrogance............ I can only talk for myself here in Austria, Europe and my personal experiences with US-citizens.
    Most of them tourists here in Vienna at the time I got to know them. Well I most say, I always know which tourists are the Americans: they are the loudest( of course in English, because most of them believe the whole world talks that language), the shrillest and always talking about things back home and how good they are! (As I worked Ob, we had about 500 Abortions from US-girls a year, they came to us during collegebreaks to have it done)
    Sorry, but this is my experience and a lot of the tourists, but also permanent residenced Americans here, are trying to let us live your american way of life.
    That's ok for you, but we've got traditions and cultural beliefs, going back so long ago, the USA didn't even exist.
    Again, I don't want to offend anybody, and my experiences have got nothing to do with the terrible things that happened.
    But I do think it's worth a thought, as an American, why not everybody likes you. (Not talking about terrorisme, but just not liking)
    Take care, Renee
  7. by   essarge
    Oscar,

    While you are intitled to your opinion, I have to respectfully disagree.

    The United States, all through history, has stepped up to the plate and helped (most of the time) when asked. Yes, there are countries who's people are in poverty and suffer. We also, as a nation, have suffered, and will see suffering, but the one thing we do have here is a caring wonderfully diverse poplulation. The "melting pot", of people who come together, of people who are allowed to practice a freedom that no other nation in the world has. The freedom to be yourself, state your opinion (as you have) without fear of retaliation, and the freedom and independence to practice your culture, religion, and life as you see fit.

    Oscar, imagine living in a country where you don't have these freedoms? Would you be able to do that or would you be the person who is shot in the town square for saying something against the government or it's people?

    Would your opinion be the same if an immediate member of your family or close friend were one of those lost in this terrorist attack? Or would you be ready to go over to the countries that support this type of action and show them that this is not accepted by our nations worldwide?
  8. by   fergus51
    Renee, I had to laugh. I am a dual citizen (born in Canada, lived in the US, now back in Canada) and some Canadians have the same impression of Americans you do. Of course, when I lived in the Czech Republic close to the Austrian border (near Summerau) they had the same opinion of Germans and Austrians. They say you are loud (and of course everyone in Europe should know German so you never bother to learn any Czech) and arrogant and think everyone should be like you. I could pick out both Austrians and Americans pretty easily. It's all a matter of perspective. Everyone thinks someone else is arrogant, not them .

    Essarge, I don't think Oscar is trying to dismiss the good work Americans do and all that America has to be proud of. But at the same time, we do some bad things and cause others to suffer and that shouldn't be ignored under the guise of patriotism. We need to examine what makes us such a target for hatred. Otherwise things will never change. Oh, and there are several other nations in the world that allow the same freedom that is in the US. I hate when people ignore my other country....
  9. by   NurseStudentFall01
    Oscar,
    I find your comments too ridiculous to even respond to. So, I won't.

    Renee, I believe you are just trying to stir up trouble. You say you don't want to offend anyone, but the things you say about Americans are clearly offensive. We're loud, shrill, arrogant abortionists who believe our language is superior to all others. If you don't like us, big deal. But for God's sake, have the back-bone to stand for what you believe - giving us a pathetic, "don't mean to offend" excuse is more insulting than the other comments you made.
  10. by   JennieBSN
    Oscar, go say all of that to one of the victims' family members...TO THEIR FACE, not where you can hide behind a keyboard.

    You disgust me.
  11. by   realnursealso/LPN
    As the Navy man said so eloquently, "YOU PICKED THE WRONG CITY,YOU PICKED THE WRONG COUNTRY!!" What ever fate lies ahead for the terrorists, it is of their own chosing. Why should we lie down and let those sorry excuse for human beings continue to share in our oxygen supply. All of the nations around the world are standing with us to fight what is believed to be pure terrorism. I"m sorry that you dislike AMERICANS, because we are loud, but as the old broadway musical song says...IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT WITH ONE OF US.....YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT WITH ME!!!! I am not loud, or arrogant....you don't even know me. But let me tell you...loud will come when we blow that sadistic,animal, coward out of his cave he is hiding in. Where is all his bravery and his I am better than you attitude now? If he was so right, why can't he stand up like a man? He is not a man...he is a COWARD. Wonder if you would like to tell the families of over 6,000 people what you said to us? I am behind the president and totally agree with what he is doing. My daughter and son in law are in the UNITED STATES AIRFORCE, and they may have to sacrifice for our country. So don't tell me how to feel and don't you dare pick on MY COUNTRY . BIN LADEN BEWARE...WE ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oh and by the way....IT WILL BE LOUD!!!!!
    Last edit by realnursealso/LPN on Sep 23, '01
  12. by   rncountry
    WE have inflicted enough suffering on other countries??? Tell me one country in the world that is blameless for that. Just one, and at the same time you point out to me one country that has given as much to another country as this one has. Just one. Do you know that there is only one country in Europe that paid this country back for the money poured in on the Marshell plan and that country was Finland? NOT Austria, by the way.
    And speaking of Austria I believe that Hitler was of Austrian descent, not actually German as we think of German, and Austria was a heavy Nazi sympathizer, and were you not the country that deliberately voted in a man to represent your country who had been an active Nazi symapthizer and upset pretty much all of the free world, as well as more recently a younger man that believed Hitler wasn't so bad after all? Correct me if my memory is wrong here, but I don't see Austria as being a blameless country. I find that generalizing about any religion, race or ethinicity is a poor idea don't you?
    I don't care if others in the world like American's or not. That is not an excuse for what took place in this country on Sept. 11. There is no excuse. I suppose maybe we should tell these terrorists that what they did is not nice and please don't do it again? Don't you understand that they are going to attempt to do it again whether we go to war against them or not? Their goal is the downfall of my country, the ceaseing of freedom and liberaty that allows you to put such nonsense on a BB. This is their goal regardless of whether we fight back or not. If we don't fight back then we might as well roll over and die.
    Millions of people died in WWII for the freedoms that so many of us take for granted, not just in this country, but others. How many millions died in Europe? The second world war is not called that just because, it involved more countries than I think it necessary to post here. Would you piss on the memories of all those people? Understand that if the terrorists were able to terrorize American's into submission that other countries would also become their targets. ANYONE that is not conforming to their ideals of how society should function is a target. And nurse from Austria, that could be YOU.
  13. by   KC CHICK
    Has anyone thought that the reason this happened to the US was not because of 'US arrogance'.....but because it simply sends a terribly strong message to the entire WORLD'S population - "no matter who you are, or how strong you think you are.....you can be infiltrated, you can be attacked."

    I think that's why the US was chosen. Would a similar attack in, let's see....Austria or Iceland evoke the same response from all the world's nations that this has???? Unfortunately, I don't think so.

    This was not just a message to the United States. ..... we WOULD be truely arrogant for thinking that... wouldn't we, Oscar???
    Last edit by KC CHICK on Sep 23, '01
  14. by   VickyRN
    Subject: FW: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
    TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
    This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth sharing.

    America: The Good Neighbor.
    Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
    recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
    Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
    commentator. What follows is the full text of his
    trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
    Record:

    "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
    Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
    appreciated people on all the earth.

    Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
    Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
    Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
    forgave other billions in debts. None of these
    countries is today paying even the interest on its
    remaining debts to the United States.

    When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
    was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
    was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
    Paris. I was there. I saw it.

    When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
    States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
    American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
    Nobody helped.

    The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
    billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
    newspapers in those countries are writing about the
    decadent, warmongering Americans.

    I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
    gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
    build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
    world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
    Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
    don't they fly them? Why do all the International
    lines except Russia fly American Planes?

    Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
    a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
    technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
    technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
    American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
    not once, but several times and safely home again.

    You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
    right in the store window for everybody to look at.
    Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
    They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
    they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
    dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

    When the railways of France, Germany and India were
    breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
    rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
    New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
    old caboose. Both are still broke.

    I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
    the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
    even one time when someone else raced to the Americans
    in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
    during the San Francisco earthquake.

    Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
    Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
    kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
    their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
    to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
    over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
    of those."

    Stand proud, America!

    This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
    read regarding the United States. It is nice that one
    man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the
    world would realize it. We are always blamed for
    everything, and never even get a thank you for the
    things we do.

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