ABB: Who's Your Ideal Presidential Candidate?

  1. Okay, we have a NursesForBush thread, as well as various threads promoting John Kerry as the presumptive Democratic nominee. This one's going to be a bit different, as I'm asking allnurses members to name the candidate YOU would most like to see run against Bush in November.

    Of course, it's all over but the shouting, as Kerry---barring any unforeseen circumstances---will be the nominee, but since both campaigns have already turned dirty and nasty (and thus boring), it might be fun to imagine different people in the role of ABB---anybody-but-Bush.

    My choice, strangely enough, would be Republican senator John McCain. He reminds me of no one as much as Barry Goldwater, another famous Arizona senator whose brand of conservatism was very much in line with my own politics, and thus unrecognizable in this era of the Patriot Act and the so-called "Christian Right" (which is neither, IMHO). Goldwater believed that the best thing government could do for the people was, basically, to leave us the hell ALONE for the most part: allow responsible citizens to own, use, and enjoy firearms; stay out of our bedrooms, our medical records, and our libraries; encourage self-sufficiency without leaving millions of Americans to go hungry or do without health care; promote the formation of, but not subsidize, new businesses; and neither interfering with, nor financing, private education for the nation's children.

    John McCain is, like Goldwater, a maverick among his Republican colleagues, and although he's not perfect, I'd vote for him over ANYONE out there right now. I've often wished he'd turn Independent, or even Libertarian, and run for president......I know he didn't do well in the primaries when he campaigned briefly in 2000, but the world---and America---has changed greatly since then, and mainly (in my opinion, anyway) for the worse. This country has been yanked so far to the right by the Bush/Cheney regime that McCain looks like a flaming liberal by comparison, but in truth, he is more of a TRUE conservative---fiscal responsibility coupled with social tolerance---than any of them. (Again, this is MY opinion only )

    So, what do YOU think? Whom would you choose as our next president if you could pick anyone in the country, and why? Let your imagination soar, and please......let's have a polite, intelligent, and mature discussion!
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  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    I admire John Mc Cain for his honesty and courage to say what he means and mean what he says.

    However I would choose a candidate who along with inspiring us to act in the interest of all people understood that healthcare needs to be a major consideration.

    Just as we believe that it is in the public interest to have fire stations in locations where they are needed, staffed with firefighters, paramedica, and EMT's we NEED emergency departments for those emergency workers to take the sick and injured to.

    We need a leader who will educate and inspire us, not give up as President Clinton did.
    Unfortunately I have no perfect candidate in mind because those who would work on the important problems of health, education, and world peace (at least try!) are either too focused on one issue or lack the charm and/or money to get elected.
  4. by   Energizer Bunny
    Jesse Ventura..heck, I don't really know why...don't even know all of what he stands for, but when I have heard him speak, I loved him. Can't think of anyone else, really, cuz there just isn't a perfect candidate in my eyes. Doubt there ever will be one.
  5. by   fergus51
    LOVE McCain!!!! Have NO idea why they chose Bush over him. NO idea. I mean c;mon people!!! Are you blind and deaf? How can anyone think Bush is better for president than McCain?!
  6. by   gwenith
    A view from outside America

    Someone who will put the environment high on the list - that does not mean a tree hugging anti-capitalist it means someone who will take the long term view the environment needs NOW before global climate change alters this lovely planet beyond recognition.

    Someone who will listen to other countries. America is a great nation but at the moment it stands in jeopardy of commiting hubris. America is not alone - it must be part of an international forum.

    Someone able and capable of looking to ways of stopping the corporate blunders that have hurt the economy.

    Someone able to see clearly the new powers rising within the world - the sleeping Dragon of China is awakening and it is hungry - for what we are not sure but it will, increasingly be a major player in the next ten years

    Someone able to fix the problems besetting health care - not neccessarily introduce a universal health care scheme but simply make what you have work better.

    In short someone who will return to America those defining attributes that made America - equal opportunity for all, generosity, kindness and a willingness to help those less fortunate. Intelligent and learned able to find solutions and not just lay blame.

    This is what I would wish for America
  7. by   Mkue
    I haven't seen any threads actually supporting Kerry on this forum.

    If Colin Powell was running I would probably vote for him but President Bush is my first choice since he is running.
  8. by   VivaLasViejas
    That's the point, Marie........it's your ideal candidate I was interested in. :chuckle

    It just saddens me to think that out of almost 300 million people, the best America can come up with are an old-style northeastern liberal and a cartoon character. I'm growing to accept Kerry as the Democratic candidate, and I will support him because I fear for this country if Bush gets another four years to continue his pissing contest with a part of the world few Americans like and even fewer of us understand. Even if we do manage to escape another 9/11, however, Bush's domestic policies will sink us.....as anyone who works for a living knows all too well, gasoline, utilities, food, and housing prices have skyrocketed during the past three years, and Bush's solution is to cut our overtime pay and force us to work even longer hours than we do already.

    And our young people will continue to fight, and die, in a war whose rationale changes weekly (who SAYS Bush doesn't waffle---he changes his reasons for invading Iraq every time the wind switches direction). Most of the world's miseries have been a direct result of two things; one of them is religion, and the other is war. And this one is the creation of a man whose religious fervor is well known, yet whose idea of Christian charity doesn't begin at home and conveniently excludes the precepts of feeding the hungry, caring for the sick.......or helping mothers take care of their babies once outside the womb.

    I may not completely trust Kerry---to be honest, I don't completely trust ANY politician---but I'd rather take a chance on him than allow Bush to finish us off. :angryfire
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Hi Marla . .. :kiss

    Ideal huh? I don't think there is anyone ideal. In order to be a politician, somethings gotta give. I'm not sure anyone is strong enough to withstand the slings and arrows of politics.

    I'm thinking of J.C. Watts, nice, honest kid .. . . . but I thing politics surprised him.

    I like Colin Powell, Condi Rice . . . I'll have to think about this one.

    steph
  10. by   Ted
    O. K. Here I go.

    I would have to say my wife, Amy!

    First off, we share the same political point of views. Kind of a mixture of everything if you can believe that! But it is because she takes each issue seperately and come up with ideas/solutions to any given situation/problem/whatever that makes her a candidate I'd vote for. Amy really does not conform to any strict political ideology. . . most certainly not to the extreme political right or left!

    My wife is really quite intelligent in terms of IQ, "common sense", creativity, people skills, management and leadership. Where have I seen Amy masterfully demonstrate these skills??? Directing musicals. Being an effective and respected director requires all of these skills and them some. Amy carries her weight like a seasoned pro. Additionally, she prepares herself for each project; knows how to delegate effectively and efficiently; and even keeps an eye on the financial "bottom line".

    Now I KNOW that being a director of a musical/play is NOT the same thing as being President or Leader of ANY country. But the foundation is there.

    Also, Amy is a realist. She used to work for county government. She's seen the corruption on a county level. Many times Amy has remarked, "If the county government can be this corrupt and knee deep (stuck) in political ideology, imagine what the State and Federal government must be like!" Her role in the county government was as a "secretary". But she was actually delegated assignments and responsibilities that the elected officials should have been doing. (She worked for the Dept. of Solid Waste). I witnessed her intellect easily understand the legal and moral issues surrounding the solid waste problems the county faced. Sadly, she was never delegated any responsibility to remedy the problems. But she used to share to me her ideas on how to "make things right", all within the confines of State and Federal Regulations.

    Now I also know that working as a "secretary" for county government is NOT the same thing as being a leader of ANY country. But the foundation is there.

    Amy is in the process of studying nursing. (She graduates in May, 2005!) As she moves forward to becoming a nurse, I see her disclipline herself with her studies. Very disciplined; I mean anally disciplined, reading/studying/practicing SOMETHING almost every day!! Also, as she moves forward with her studies, I she her increasingly impassioned with the nursing, medical and general health issues facing nurses, physicians and the general public. (I proudly say that I think she's going to be an EXCELLENT nurse, by the way!! ) She is even involved with the college's Student Nurse Organization, attending meetings, listening/learning to the issues and even offering suggestions and ideas to problems and challenges. (I was just happy to attend class during my nursing college days!)

    Now I KNOW that being an impassioned nursing student is NOT the same thing as being a leader of ANY country. But the foundation is there.

    Yeppers! IF Amy had the interest, I have no doubt she would make a great President of this country. But the problem is that she doesn't have the interest. Sigh. . . .

    But golly, the potential is there!

    Peace!

    Ted
    Last edit by Ted on Apr 24, '04
  11. by   VivaLasViejas
    Yep, I think you're right, Steph........people go into politics intending to change the system, and the system changes them.

    I actually used to like Colin Powell too, before he went over to the dark side I lost respect for him when he became just another one of Bush's lackeys, although I saw him on Nightline tonight and he seems to be recovering somewhat. As for Condi Rice, well, I started out liking her, but she's just too entwined with the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis for me to be able to take her seriously.

    I'm not against all Republicans......just the neo-conservatives, who must be making Abe Lincoln and Barry Goldwater spin in their graves as we speak. :stone
  12. by   fergus51
    I actually agree with Michael Moore and say Oprah. Who could possibly beat Oprah in any election?!

    Run Oprah Run!!!
  13. by   Mkue
    Quote from mjlrn97
    That's the point, Marie........it's your ideal candidate I was interested in. :chuckle

    It just saddens me to think that out of almost 300 million people, the best America can come up with are an old-style northeastern liberal and a cartoon character. I'm growing to accept Kerry as the Democratic candidate, and I will support him because I fear for this country if Bush gets another four years to continue his pissing contest with a part of the world few Americans like and even fewer of us understand. Even if we do manage to escape another 9/11, however, Bush's domestic policies will sink us.....as anyone who works for a living knows all too well, gasoline, utilities, food, and housing prices have skyrocketed during the past three years, and Bush's solution is to cut our overtime pay and force us to work even longer hours than we do already.

    And our young people will continue to fight, and die, in a war whose rationale changes weekly (who SAYS Bush doesn't waffle---he changes his reasons for invading Iraq every time the wind switches direction). Most of the world's miseries have been a direct result of two things; one of them is religion, and the other is war. And this one is the creation of a man whose religious fervor is well known, yet whose idea of Christian charity doesn't begin at home and conveniently excludes the precepts of feeding the hungry, caring for the sick.......or helping mothers take care of their babies once outside the womb.

    I may not completely trust Kerry---to be honest, I don't completely trust ANY politician---but I'd rather take a chance on him than allow Bush to finish us off. :angryfire
    I personally think America would warm up to a more moderate Democrat candidate for President. If Kerry would more moderate I think he would be way ahead in the polls.

    President Bush has always had many reasons for invading Iraq, he may not mention every single reason each time he speaks. As I recall he spoke to the American people before the first bombing and gave us all of those reasons, in fact, I took notes during the speech and I got at least 5 reasons but I think there were more.
  14. by   bluesky
    I actually kinda like Colin Powell too. I have a sense, however, that if he were in command, his policies would be far more left leaning than any of the conservatives here might be comfortable with.

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