2008 run, abortion engage her politically

  1. 2008 run, abortion engage her politically
    By Bill Sammon

    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    Published March 12, 2005

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
    In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want the government "forcing its views" on abortion.
    She seemed bemused by speculation that a Rice candidacy could set up an unprecedented all-woman matchup with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, who is widely expected to seek the presidency.
    "I never wanted to run for anything -- I don't think I even ran for class anything when I was in school," she said. "I'm going to try to be a really good secretary of state; I'm going to work really hard at it.
    "I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
    She was then pressed on whether she would rule out a White House bid by reprising Gen. William T. Sherman's 1884 declaration: "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."
    "Well, that's not fair," she protested with a chuckle. "The last thing I can -- I really can't imagine it."
    Several Republicans have floated the idea of a Rice candidacy to counter Mrs. Clinton's prospects, especially since several Republican officials with national prominence, including Vice President Dick Cheney and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have ruled out pursuing the party's 2008 nomination.
    Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani are often mentioned as prospective candidates, and several other potential Republican candidates, such as Sen. George Allen of Virginia and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, have not yet developed a national following.
    Other Republicans have questioned whether evangelical Christians, a crucial component of the Republican base, would turn out to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Miss Rice, a Presbyterian's preacher's daughter who twice in the interview spoke of her "deep religious faith," suggested it's a moot point. "I'm not trying to be elected."
    Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other.
    "So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it."
    Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican. She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role.
    "I am a strong proponent of parental notification. I am a strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion. These are all things that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be.
    "We ought to have a culture that says, 'Who wants to have an abortion? Who wants to see a daughter or a friend or a sibling go through something like that?' "
    Miss Rice described abortion as an "extremely difficult moral issue" which she approaches as "a deeply religious person."
    "My faith is a part of everything that I do," she said. "It's not something that I can set outside of anything that I do, because it's so integral to who I am.
    "And prayer is very important to me and a belief that if you ask for it, you will be guided. Now, that doesn't mean that I think that God will tell me what to do on, you know, the Iran nuclear problem.
    "That's not how I see it. But I do believe very strongly that if you are a prayerful and faithful person, that that is a help in guiding us, as imperfect beings, to have to deal with extremely difficult and consequential matters."
    Since becoming secretary of state earlier this year, she has noticed a public interest about even her taste in fashion. Yesterday, she wore a smartly tailored black suit with large gold buttons on the sleeves.
    "I like clothes -- I always have," she said to laughter, answering a question. "You know, when I was 5 years old, my poor father would go off to work on his sermon on Saturday -- he was the Presbyterian minister -- so he would go off to work on his sermon. And my mother and I would go shopping. Shopping is fun."
    http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...5948-2015r.htm
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  2. 19 Comments

  3. by   Nurseboy1
    I think it's just a little early to begin to decide who is going to run in 2008. However, I will say this, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for or support Hillary Clinton.
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    From the polls that I read about America's stance on abortion, Condi's seems to be the consensus of thought.

    Not unlimited abortion for all nine months for any reason at all and not no abortion ever.

    Seems more sensible to me since it will never work to go to either extreme.

    We have to make abortion rare and that starts in the heart and mind.

    steph
  5. by   BeachNurse
    Quote from stevielynn
    From the polls that I read about America's stance on abortion, Condi's seems to be the consensus of thought.

    Not unlimited abortion for all nine months for any reason at all and not no abortion ever.

    Seems more sensible to me since it will never work to go to either extreme.

    We have to make abortion rare and that starts in the heart and mind.

    steph
    Well said.
  6. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from stevielynn
    We have to make abortion rare and that starts in the heart and mind.

    steph
    My thoughts too.
    I would advocate for outlawing abortion except that desparate people do their own or get dangerous illegal abortions.
    Being pro life it is impractical to allow young women to die too.

    I think it comes down to WHEN you believe life begins.

    I remember working as a nursing assistant when it was illegal. Girls would come in septic and dying after going to Tijuana.

    Education and access to birth control information and at minimum condoms, adoption counciling, and assistance in housing and necessities make all the difference.

    Twice I have been asked for help by young women. Both decided to have their babies. One was adopted by an older sister, the other was adopted at birth in a legal county adoption.
    One of them has kept im comtact with me. She has since graduated college, married, has two children who know they have a sibling. She sayd the heartache of not raising her child would be so much worse if she had had an abortion.

    Am I correct in thinking the rate of abortion is decreasing?

    PS: It hurts my very soul to pay taxes for death in a war of choice based on lies.
  7. by   Spidey's mom
    Spacenurse . . remember, Roe vs. Wade passed waaaay back in the 70's when we didn't have the amazing photos of babies in utero as we do now. My husband was watching a show two nights ago called "In The Womb" and called me to the tv . . . amazing photos of 8 week old embryos with hearts beating and bodies moving around . . .and then following the growth and development until birth. Those 3-D ultrasounds are beautiful.

    The womb was pretty dark for the general public back when Roe vs Wade was fought . . . as I said, minds are changing now. It isn't so easy to just dismiss a baby as tissue.


    steph
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Some people who are pro-choice aren't necessarily viewing the baby as tissue.

    I'm pro-choice because if abortion were illegal, you'd have rape and incest victims with YET AGAIN no choice in the situation, and possibly left with a reminder of what was done to them. This can be just as psychologically scarring as what happened to them to start with. And it is not up to me to decide for other people (ANY people) what is the best choice for them.

    Pro-life for myself.

    I agree, though, that hell would freeze over before i would vote for HRC.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Jee whiz when will folks get being Pro choice is NOT the same as being PRO abortion.
  10. by   BeachNurse
    True. Pro-abortion is my niece, who has had six of them. :uhoh21:

    Guess it's too hard to go for that Depo shot every 3 months, even if it is FREE.
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from BeachNurse
    True. Pro-abortion is my niece, who has had six of them. :uhoh21:

    Guess it's too hard to go for that Depo shot every 3 months, even if it is FREE.
    Hey, your niece could be my sister. And I took her for one. Finally after giving birth to three of the pregnancies from three different fathers, she got her tubes tied. After using abortion as birth control for years of one-night stands or short-term relationships with druggies.

    And there are people in Planned Parenthood who at least used to call an abortion "the product of conception" or tissue. And who believed it.

    I think since the advent of technology to look into the womb, even ardent pro-choice people have had to readjust their thinking and realize that it is a human being. That makes it harder but nonetheless they still are pro-choice.

    I agree that rape and incest are hard cases . .. but the truth is those are not the vast majority of reasons women have abortions.

    And I've known women who gave birth anyway, gave their children up for adoption and came away feeling healthier for it. Of course there are women who feel the opposite.

    I think the main point here is that people are torn about this issue. And most folks are in the middle. Legal abortion with common sense restrictions. Which neither extreme agrees with.

    steph
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    could you please define "common sense restrictions" for me, Steph? Just curious as common sense is not all that common, really.
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    could you please define "common sense restrictions" for me, Steph? Just curious as common sense is not all that common, really.
  14. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    could you please define "common sense restrictions" for me, Steph? Just curious as common sense is not all that common, really.

    :chuckle Well that's true.

    And as I said, each extreme would not agree to the common sense.

    Ok - for me it would mean that my daughter could not be driven 70 miles to an abortion clinic for a surgical procedure without my knowledge or consent. I know we hear the boogeyman story about the abusive father who would beat his daughter for being pregnant but that is a rare case. Most parents would be angry with their daughters for getting pregnant - that is normal. But most parents would also try to do what is best for their child. I think parental notification is a good common sense thing.

    Also, I think partial birth abortion is wrong. That seems to be common sense to me.

    Those are the two that came to mind.

    steph

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