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  1. I hope they are just verbally reprimanded. They have been there over a year with promised return dates cancelled. It is hot, they are scared, and their families are worried.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/17/in...352766a00690fe
    U.S. Commander in Iraq Says Yearlong Tours Are Option to Combat 'Guerrilla' War
    By THOM SHANKER
    WASHINGTON, July 16-American troops in Iraq are under attack from "a classical guerrilla-type campaign" whose fighters, drawn from Saddam Hussein's most unyielding loyalists and foreign terrorist groups, are increasingly organized, the new commander of allied forces in Iraq said today...(paragraphs deleted)
    Stress on American ground combat units has been evident in recent days as members of the Third Infantry Division, the longest-serving Army unit in Iraq, were quoted in television and other interviews as being openly critical of Mr. Rumsfeld and their mission after hearing that the promised return home of their final two brigades might slip into late autumn. One brigade has begun its journey home.
    General Abizaid, himself an Army officer, complimented the combat prowess and courage of the division, and pledged again that his commanders would try to send the troops home by September-but showed no patience for public criticism of Mr. Rumsfeld by men and women in uniform.
    "None of us that wear this uniform are free to say anything disparaging about the secretary of defense or the president of the United States," General Abizaid said during his Pentagon briefing. "We're not free to do that. It's our professional code. Whatever action may be taken, whether it's a verbal reprimand or something more stringent is up to the commanders on the scene and it's not for me to comment."
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  3. by   Q.
    That's typical military stuff. You just don't pubically criticize your superiors. I hope it's just a reprimand too, but they should know better. Really. No one says you can't have those opinions, but not on TV for god's sake.
  4. by   fergus51
    I do understand they shouldn't criticize their superiors, but I have a lot of compassion for them. God knows I have never been able to keep my mouth shut when I had something to say, even if my employer doesn't like it.
  5. by   roxannekkb
    I worked for the military during the first Gulf War, and I was really surprised at how the reservists criticized the military. It was incredible. It never ceased. I never heard one person say anything complimentary.

    I was also amazed at how poorly were treated, especially the enlisted. This was the navy, and there was only one person I came in contact with that said they were staying in. I worked there after the regular navy personnel came back, and they were just as critical. So it wasn't a reservist thing.

    Just from my experience with the navy, they really do need to treat their people better. Benefits are surely not what they're cracked up to be, and I never quite understood the power that the military has over you once you're in there. It was rather scary.

    At any rate, threatening these guys in Iraq is not going to boost morale, nor encourage them to sign up for another tour of duty. If anything, they will now be unable to vent their frustration and hosility, and may start taking it out on Iraqi civilians and fellow officers, which is already happening and which will make the situation much worse than it already is.
  6. by   SharonH, RN
    Well, this just goes to show the level of frustration, anger, and fear that these men and women are feeling. I feel sorry for them, they are risking their lives and getting picked off one by one, so a few men could get money and power and for a few pennies a month. Then one of those men turns around and takes back his promise that they could return to their loved ones after a few months. Now they are being held to a higher standard of behavior than their lying commander-in-chief and their lying secretary of defense and will be punished for it. It's so sad.
  7. by   Hardknox
    I think this will be the death knell for the "all volunteer" military. Everyone I've talked to is getting out when their stint is over. Many reservists and guardsmen signed up for the college plan during "peace time" and never thought they'd see war action.
  8. by   maureeno
    I got an e-mail today
    suggesting it is time
    to UNIONIZE
    the military!
  9. by   roxannekkb
    I think this will be the death knell for the "all volunteer" military


    Can you imagine the uproar if they tried to bring back the draft now? With all this mess in Iraq? I would hope they would've learned their lesson from Vietnam, but then again, here we are in another situation that is looking more and more "Vietnamish" every day.
  10. by   fergus51
    Did you see the bit about the White House trying to smear the journalist by tipping off a slimey website that he is gay and GASP evn worse.... Canadian! I do think it's a little ironic that those who fight for our rights don't really get to enjoy the same ones.
  11. by   passing thru
    The soldier I saw on t.v. said they were not trained for "police duty.".that they are soldiers trained to fight an enemy and now they are expected to be the police in a "police state."

    This "Iraqi liberation" is going to be the biggest zoo this country has ever seen...my hunch is it will keep the republicans out of power for
    another 20 years.

    Do soldiers give up their freedoms--freedom of speech- to go abroad and risk their lives to give another people "freedom?"

    How ludicrous!
  12. by   Hardknox
    The sad part is that , as my husband told my son when he joined the Army, you DO give up your civil liberties. They swear to uphold the policies of the Commander-in-Chief. They may gripe to each other, but NEVER for publication. I believe they drill this into them from day one in boot camp.
  13. by   teeituptom
    And did yalll really expect anything else from the Bushie administration. If any one can screw anything up , its a Bushie. First Daddy Bushie and now son Bushie.

    Vote democrat


    Impeach the Bushie
  14. by   Mkue
    Pentagon to announce troops rotation plan
    Rest of 3rd Infantry Division next to go home
    Friday, July 18, 2003

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The military will announce a rotation plan for U.S. troops in Iraq sometime next week, Pentagon sources told CNN Friday.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

    woohoo, good news

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