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Greed and money triumph over beliefs

  1. 3 http://www.truthdig.com/eartothegrou...rson_20130124/
    A Catholic health provider has abandoned its beliefs by arguing that a dead fetus and a dead person are not the same thing in order to win a malpractice lawsuit.
    The health provider was able to win that lawsuit by arguing--against its own religious doctrine--that a fetus is not a person. The hospital chain's strategy demonstrates that, in the end, greed and money ultimately triumph over principles and beliefs.
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    This bothered me more than I would have thought. I may not agree with the Catholic Church, or others who are anti-abortion but I have respect for the fact theirs is a solid belief. To see the beliefs sold for a Judas price was out of my understanding. It does go along with those who have flushed Christianity down the drain for the hypocrisy they find.

    My personal beliefs are the Biblical "breath of life" so it does not offend my belief system. It does offend my sense of morality that "beliefs" are for sale.
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  4. Visit  heron profile page
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    Once again, "eternal moral principles" prove to be subject to change without notice, depending on whose ox is being gored at the time.

    Feh!
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    I'm sure there are people who Truly believe and act accordingly. Not that attorney.
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    Quote from herring_RN
    I'm sure there are people who Truly believe and act accordingly. Not that attorney.
    Agreed, and I would add the hospital that hired the attorney. Not sure how much the local church hierarchy had to do with the decision to pursue this line of defense ... probably not much, if anything at all. Furthermore, I'm definitely not referring to the people who constitute the local church membership.

    All that being said, I still think my point stands. You don't get to claim the moral high ground if you do so only when it's convenient and profitable.
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    Quote from heron
    Agreed, and I would add the hospital that hired the attorney. Not sure how much the local church hierarchy had to do with the decision to pursue this line of defense ... probably not much, if anything at all. Furthermore, I'm definitely not referring to the people who constitute the local church membership.

    All that being said, I still think my point stands. You don't get to claim the moral high ground if you do so only when it's convenient and profitable.
    Exactly. Fighting ACA's coverage of medications because of moral beliefs seem to go out the window when money is involved.

    An ethical attorney confers with the client who makes the final decisions about any plea offers. The hospital cannot claim both pro-life ( the "reason given against BCP) and then define a dead fetus as not a person.

    I have no idea if the hospital discussed the plea with the Church. As the suit as against the hospital and not the Church the hospital was the client.
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    Interesting-I did a little research and read more on the case.From what I found it looks like the mother was down for an hour and the staff could not hear fetal heart tones or detect a heartbeat via doppler.I am wondering why they took this stance in defense instead of the truth-which is the babies were beyond saving.
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    Quote from ktwlpn
    Interesting-I did a little research and read more on the case.From what I found it looks like the mother was down for an hour and the staff could not hear fetal heart tones or detect a heartbeat via doppler.I am wondering why they took this stance in defense instead of the truth-which is the babies were beyond saving.
    Possibly because it would have involved hiring expert witnesses, as opposed to getting that part of the case thrown out a priori, for free (relatively speaking).
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    And so I would argue to the catholic church that oral hormones are not the same as birth control...

    hypocrites
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    it is sad that many devoted Catholics maintain their ethics and moral behaviors while the organization, represented by the hospital related to the Church have them for sale.
    My beliefs are in favor of BCP for any reason, Plan B, and if necessary termination of pregnancy so I do not feel personally stressed. It is distressing for me that my friends, who have supported the Church and their anti coverage for BCP for any reason, are being tossed aside for another way to save a buck rather than provide solice for the soul.
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    This makes me sick. Morals of convenience.....this is one of the reasons organized religion has lost me forever.
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    Quote from BCgradnurse
    This makes me sick. Morals of convenience.....this is one of the reasons organized religion has lost me forever.
    They want absolute control over a womans ability to access birth control or terminations of pregnancy because it is counter to their religious ethics, yet when that is inconvenient for the CHURCH suddenly those things are no longer that important.
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    Catholic hospital says it was 'morally wrong' to argue fetus is not a person - CNN.com
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/04/us/col...tml?hpt=hp_bn1

    "In the discussion with the Church leaders, CHI representatives acknowledged that it was morally wrong for attorneys representing St. Thomas More Hospital to cite the state's Wrongful Death Act in defense of this lawsuit. That law does not consider fetuses to be persons, which directly contradicts the moral teachings of the Church," Catholic Health Initiatives said in a statement.
    It promised that attorneys for the hospital would not cite the Wrongful Death Act in any future hearings

    The Church claims it did not know the legal tactics used. I wonder if it will be heard at the higher court. If so, will thel attorniys change their stategy and not ue the personhood by birth defense?

    Open discussions do lead to some changes.
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