POLL----Do you believe in evolution?

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    I have always felt nursing is a science-based profession, but, I wonder how this poll will turn out in the end.

    This poll from Gallup, is from 2009,
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/114544/Da...Evolution.aspx

    but, i wonder how the answer will turn out on a nursing forum..

    This poll is a bit hard to word correctly, to please everyone, as some feel the word "believe" is not appropriate to use when referring to evidence, as no one would ask if one "believes" the earth is round. Still, others do feel the word "believe" IS appropriate to use to describe their own personal thoughts on evolution.

    Some want the word "theory" included, like the way we use "theory of gravity" others feel the word "theory" confuses many people.

    so i tried to word it both ways:

    DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION also includes this meaning: DO YOU RECOGNIZE THERE IS EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION? and this meaning DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION?
    Last edit by somenurse on Jan 15, '13
  2. Poll: DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION?

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    How 19-year-old activist Zack Kopplin is making life hell for Louisiana's creationists
    Kopplin, who is studying history at Rice University, had good reason to be upset after the passing of the LSEA — an insidious piece of legislation that allows teachers to bring in their own supplemental materials when discussing politically controversial topics like evolution or climate change. Soon after the act was passed, some of his teachers began to not just supplement existing texts, but to rid the classroom of established science books altogether. It was during the process to adopt a new life science textbook in 2010 that creationists barraged Louisiana's State Board of Education with complaints about the evidence-based science texts. Suddenly, it appeared that they were going to be successful in throwing out science textbooks.

    This young man started to battle for real science books in school. he is a great example of what we can have young people do within a system to change it. His reasons are so critical for the US at a time when US science scores are so low and high school graduates unprepared to make it in college.

    To me the poll stacks science v religion. I consider myself Christian and also know that evolution is a correct science principle. I have no problem with God having living things change to meet their environment.
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    Facepalm about the Louisiana story, there are several similar stories going on, all over. I do not feel creationism belongs in a SCIENCE class.

    good point, about one CAN be both religious, and also recognize there is evidence for evolution. My brother is very devoutly religious, and also has deep respect and understanding of science, and he finds way to combine both his belief in a god, and his belief in evolution. To his mind, he sees evolution as a tool the gods used to develop the planet and the lifeforms on it.

    He personally feels evolution went on, just as the consensus of scientists say,
    but, he himself sees the evolution as divinely guided.
    So he is comfortable with believing in both god, AND evolution. He is christian, and he does not believe in part of the bible he either doesn't like, or feels are mistakes/errors in translation/"shouldn't be taken literally". Parts of the bible he does not like, well, those parts are not "true".

    Re: the remark, //"To me the poll stacks science v religion."//
    I
    don't see the poll that way, but, after reading your remark, i went back and looked again at the gallup poll.
    I do not think sorting out the respondents by age, or by church attendance, or by the other factors they used to compare how various groups generally answer,
    is "stacking it against religion" or age, or by education, either.
    If the people were asked "Do you believe in evolution OR in god?" THAT would be stacking it against religion.
    If the respondents were asked, "Do you believe in evolution, OR in graduating from college?" THAT would be stacking it against education.

    but
    just asking "Do you believe in evolution:"
    and then dividing up the results up
    by educational level,
    age,
    church attendance,
    etc,
    is not forcing one to choose between evolution or god, not imo anyway.
    Last edit by somenurse on Jan 16, '13
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    ... Two major reasons for resistance to evolution are:
    1) the mistaken idea that Darwin’s theory of evolution excludes supernatural involvement in the development of the natural world, and
    2) the general public’s limited understanding of the scientific evidence that has made this theory universally accepted in the scientific community. ...

    “By ‘nature,’ I mean the laws ordained by God to govern the Universe.” Charles Darwin

    Evolution and the Catholic Church: Are They in Conflict?
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    Quote from herring_RN
    ... Two major reasons for resistance to evolution are:
    1) the mistaken idea that Darwin’s theory of evolution excludes supernatural involvement in the development of the natural world, and
    2) the general public’s limited understanding of the scientific evidence that has made this theory universally accepted in the scientific community. ...

    “By ‘nature,’ I mean the laws ordained by God to govern the Universe.” Charles Darwin

    Evolution and the Catholic Church: Are They in Conflict?

    Good points. In general, the Catholic church tends to be very "pro" education, and not suspicious of science, (not this century anyway...)
    especially when the Catholic branch of christianity is compared to some other branches of christianity, some of which do want their followers to indulge in a more literal interpretation of the bible.

    some religions are more "anti-science" than others.

    (like this actual elected congressman in USA, in 2012, claim evolution "is a lie straight from the pit of hell")
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...volution-video

    ^sadly, that man actually sits on the SCIENCE committee of the US congress....He also doesn't seem to see any point to study the big bang theory,
    and although a doctor, he thinks the earth is only 9,000 years old.
    (odd, that he came up with 9,000, as most bible literalists only come up with 6000 year old earth, but, there you are.)



    *sigh*.

    I personally feel one can believe in evolution AND a god,
    or
    believe in evolution and not believe in a god.


    to me, it's two different things, imo.
    Last edit by somenurse on Jan 16, '13
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    To a degree, many living things do evolve to adapt to their environments. However, that doesn't mean they evolved exclusively. I believe in the written word of the Holy Bible. Genesis 1 states that God created light, water, man, animals, etc. This is the basis of how I believe.
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    Quote from Franemtnurse
    To a degree, many living things do evolve to adapt to their environments. However, that doesn't mean they evolved exclusively. I believe in the written word of the Holy Bible. Genesis 1 states that God created light, water, man, animals, etc. This is the basis of how I believe.
    yes, MRSA is one good example of evolution!!
    Fascinating how rapidly some germs can change, some within mere hours of exposure, are developing cell wall or other changes, to be able to survive THAT antibiotic.


    Also,
    one point often lost in discussion of evolution,
    is,
    evolution ONLY occurs if there is a change in the creatures lifestyle, climate, diet, predators, prey/food, something has to trigger the evolution. And the creature has to evolve rapidly enough, to be able to survive the change, too, OR the change has to occur slowly enough that the creature has time to adjust to it.
    Creatures don't just spontaneously begin to evolve, there has to be some trigger or change in their world that they need to adapt to.

    Many religious people feel that trigger, is God's doing, others might see it as their food supply is gone, or the creature has new predators, etc.

    i am not sure what all you mean by "evolved exclusively" (?)
    but, i feel your view is a widely held view, that gods or a creator created everything. You sure do have a right to hold that view, indeed.
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    btw, i should have pointed out, right up top, that
    THIS poll, above,
    is ANONYMOUS
    , no way to see who chooses which answer, if knowing that would increase the numbers of nurses clicking on either "yes" or "no".
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    Eh, I don't beat myself over the head with this kind of debate. I personally believe the world and the living creatures in it evolved physically, but are blessed with a soul which was created by God. That doesn't mean I'm going to utterly condemn those who believe in a divine Hand which created the Earth and its wonders, or which caused inexplicable "leaps" of evolution. All this will be explained to us one day when we are capable of understanding it. Have faith and guard your little corner of Creation - it's what we're supposed to do, isn't it?
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    Here is a more recent poll. None of these polls are random samples though, keep in mind. Each has a specific audience.


    46% Americans Believe In Creationism According To Latest Gallup Poll
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