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    Urgh. So basically we're giving advice to a friend on tips to feel healthier. I've had a talk to this guy about switching to water and drinking a gallon a day before instead of the 12 pack or more of regular pop he drinks a day. So it's excessive. He had a bunch of reasons like he had nightmares when he just drank water.

    So he made a Facebook post and I advised that he should try switching to diet pop because I recalled the conversation we had when we worked out. His ex girlfriend is all like "it's not healthier! It's never better to drink diet pop!" I asked her to provide peer reviewed research but I doubt she is going to. Chances are it'll be some health site that just says that it's not healthier. There was a study that said they didn't notice any health benefits when reviewing other studies.

    Basically, this guy drinks too much pop. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a diabetic already. It runs in the family and he is overweight without working out a lot. Pop in general isn't good for you, but using diet pop to cut down is a lot better than consuming 1,200+ calories a day in just pop alone.

    Ideally he would cut out pop. However, I believe in the real world and when he says he's not going to, it's better to offer alternatives. He refuses to drink water so advising him to drink those energy squirts (I don't know, you squirt some into the water) with caffeine won't work. Tea may work but he really loves this brand of pop. So offer the best alternative to consuming 12 cans a day and the ton of sugar it is.

    Maybe she doesn't know how much pop he actually drinks. Also, running around and saying that "it's never healthier" is stupid. He probably does have diabetes but he won't go get checked out. I recommended a doctor that I liked and he still wouldn't.

    It just drives me nuts when people want to make absolute statements like something is never better without looking at the bigger picture. Ideally the guy would go to the doctor and get checked out. However, he won't at the moment. It's small steps. While diet pop and regular pop isn't ideal, when the guy refuses to take something then your options are limited.
    Last edit by applesxoranges on Dec 2, '13
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    I don't think allnurses advises on health issues my dear. ;-)
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    The stuff in diet soda is just as harmful. Anyways... What's your point of this rant haha.
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    I am not asking for advice. I think it is annoying when people become experts without looking at the research. It's not the best to switch to diet pop and water is always the best assuming it is clean, but that doesn't matter much when he refuses water.

    Oh, and she threw a fit when I asked her to provide peer reviewed research. If she was a dietician major, then I would back down. However, she is saying absolutely that one thing is worse than the other. It needs to involve all the facts and looking at the person as a whole. He won't suddenly switch to water and he won't cut back his consumption.

    I wish people would stop and take some time to fully realize that while something may be bad, there are worse cases.
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    Quote from applesxoranges
    I am not asking for advice. I think it is annoying when people become experts without looking at the research.
    I recognize this as a rant, but now I have to play. Are you absolutely sure diet soda is better or healthier than regular soda? Where is your peer-reviewed research? Sure, she didn't give you any proof, but did you give any to her? How do you know that switching to diet soda would be more beneficial than sticking with the regular kind?

    I'll admit I'm curious about the topic anyway.
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    ANYTHING in excess is bad for you. It's all about moderation. And you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. If this guy doesn't want to stop drinking regular pop, nothing you can say will change his mind. You will run across this as a nurse. All you can do is educate and hope for the best. You can't force your opinion on someone.
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    It was his friend that was driving me nuts though. She was saying absolutely that diet pop is horrible for you as if that was the final word on the matter. However, I personally would think that drinking 12 cans of regular pop is far worse. Hence why I was suggesting the diet pop route due to past conversations of where I was promoting water and he shut it down.

    I feel it's kind of like antibiotics and patients. If the doctor prescribes an antibiotic that it is too expensive for the patient and the patient won't fill it, why bother? It's better to take a look at the patient as a whole and make suggestions from there. If the 10 dollar generic antibiotic from Wal-mart may work just as well and the patient can afford it, well, maybe that would be a better choice. One nurse I knew would print the list for doctors before they round if she knew the patient didn't have much money or any insurance and the patient was likely to be sent home soon on a po meds.

    Just like pop. If the person refuses to switch from regular pop they drink in excess then maybe diet pop may be a better alternative instead of consuming 1,200 or more calories.

    Then I ticked her off by telling her I wanted to see peer reviewed research.
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    I've read a few times that while they both should be avoided diet soda is worse because it's full of chemicals and artificial sweeteners while soda is bad because it's full of sugar. Personally I'd rather have the higher calorie normal sugar than artificial fillers, but I also drink soda maybe once a month. If you're drinking twelve cans of soda a day you've got a big problem whether your drinking regular or diet.
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    Quote from applesxoranges
    It was his friend that was driving me nuts though. She was saying absolutely that diet pop is horrible for you as if that was the final word on the matter. However, I personally would think that drinking 12 cans of regular pop is far worse. Hence why I was suggesting the diet pop route due to past conversations of where I was promoting water and he shut it down. I feel it's kind of like antibiotics and patients. If the doctor prescribes an antibiotic that it is too expensive for the patient and the patient won't fill it, why bother? It's better to take a look at the patient as a whole and make suggestions from there. If the 10 dollar generic antibiotic from Wal-mart may work just as well and the patient can afford it, well, maybe that would be a better choice. One nurse I knew would print the list for doctors before they round if she knew the patient didn't have much money or any insurance and the patient was likely to be sent home soon on a po meds. Just like pop. If the person refuses to switch from regular pop they drink in excess then maybe diet pop may be a better alternative instead of consuming 1,200 or more calories. Then I ticked her off by telling her I wanted to see peer reviewed research.

    Again, anything in excess is bad for you. 12 diet drinks a day isn't good for you either. Think about all the artificial sweeteners in them. Moderation is the key. You know this guy isn't going to change his mind. It sounds like you just want to be right. Like PP asked, where is your scientific research that says diet drinks are better for you?
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