Pro Life

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    I am pro life.

    I think the death penalty is wrong. I'll start with a few reasons.

    1. It is final. People are not perfect. Innocent people have been put to death. -- http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...FWbhQgodaCMA0w
    2. I think it is morally wrong for the government to take the life of a person.
    3. Is there even evidence that the death penalty deters crime? -- [COLOR=#0000ff]DOEXECUTIONS LOWER HOMICIDE RATES?: THE VIEWS OF LEADING CRIMINOLOGISTS[/COLOR]

    I am glad my tax money does not pay for abortion. I remember when it was illegal in the United States. People got illegal abortions or tried to do their own. Abortion rates are dropping in the United States.
    I think helping prevent unwanted pregnancy and helping with adoption or care of babies before and after birth is appropriate. Counseling and financial assistance for those with low income also make sense to me.
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    I have mixed emotions about the death penalty. Someone in for life can use up thousands and thousands of tax dollars, even getting Pell grants and other kinds of educational assistance. I think that is wrong and also most likely another thread.

    My views on abortion have changed almost 180 degrees over the past 30 years. An abortion should be hard to get. Anymore, women can pee on a stick within days to determine a positive pregnancy, so I can see no reason to wait past 5-6 weeks at the most, IF she is dead set on it.

    i recently saw an u/s picture of 20 week twins who were aborted in Orlando. This was after the "mom" was offered every kind of assistance possible, including people who wanted to adopt the little girls. This woman already had girls and just did not want any more. Sad and wrong.
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    Quote from tntrn
    women can pee on a stick within days to determine a positive pregnancy, so I can see no reason to wait past 5-6 weeks at the most, IF she is dead set on it.

    i recently saw an u/s picture of 20 week twinswho were aborted in Orlando. This was after the "mom" was offered every kind of assistance possible, including people who wanted to adopt the little girls. This woman already had girls and just want any more. Sad and wrong.
    Severe genetic/fetal health issues are another reason people seek an abortion after 6 weeks. And of course there are stories such as the recent Ireland case ( Irish abortion law key factor in death of Savita Halappanavar, official report finds - Telegraph ) While there are always stories out there about the more 'cold' abortions, for many it is an excruciating decision for them. Its easy to judge when you are not in another person's shoes.
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    Quote from herring_RN
    I am pro life.

    I am glad my tax money does not pay for abortion.
    *** Right, keep telling yourself that.
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    I am proudly pro-life, and that includes opposing the death penalty. It took a long time to come to the latter conclusion, but what it boils down to for me is the commandment "Thou shall not kill." It doesn't specify WHOM we may not kill, it simply says we are not to play God and take someone's life before the time He has appointed.
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    I'm also pro-life and was once pro-choice. Life circumstances changed my ideas about that; especially becoming an L&D nurse.

    However I am, for now, in favor of the death penalty. As all people do, we can disagree about what Scripture teaches so I don't want to get into a discussion about who is right and who is wrong. I'll just tell you that in my reading of Scripture and commentaries by people I respect, I think the Fifth Commandment is talking about "murder" . .unjustifiably taking the life of another. "Killing" under certain limited circumstances may be justified according to many of the sources I've read and also according the to Bible.

    Interestingly, I've just finished, for the second time, a book I recommended a couple of years ago about two dialysis nurses who were investigated for murdering their patient. The patient had chosen to stop dialysis of her own accord after deliberation with family and her physician. So, it was end-of-life care. A CNA thought taking off 02 and giving morphine for pain was killing a patient. I was surprised to read how many people in America (or worldwide for that matter) think what I do in hospice would be murder. The two nurses were never charged but it was a very difficult time for them. Great book No Good Deed: A Story of Medicine, Murder Accusations, and the Debate over How We Die by Lewis Mitchell Cohen, M.D.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    I'm also pro-life and was once pro-choice. Life circumstances changed my ideas about that; especially becoming an L&D nurse.

    However I am, for now, in favor of the death penalty. As all people do, we can disagree about what Scripture teaches so I don't want to get into a discussion about who is right and who is wrong. I'll just tell you that in my reading of Scripture and commentaries by people I respect, I think the Fifth Commandment is talking about "murder" . .unjustifiably taking the life of another. "Killing" under certain limited circumstances may be justified according to many of the sources I've read and also according the to Bible.

    Interestingly, I've just finished, for the second time, a book I recommended a couple of years ago about two dialysis nurses who were investigated for murdering their patient. The patient had chosen to stop dialysis of her own accord after deliberation with family and her physician. So, it was end-of-life care. A CNA thought taking off 02 and giving morphine for pain was killing a patient. I was surprised to read how many people in America (or worldwide for that matter) think what I do in hospice would be murder. The two nurses were never charged but it was a very difficult time for them. Great book No Good Deed: A Story of Medicine, Murder Accusations, and the Debate over How We Die by Lewis Mitchell Cohen, M.D.
    I agree. I read the book because of your recommendation.
    The Karen Ann Quinlan court case allowed her to be taken off life support. Many of us remember that.
    i think letting God decide or letting nature take it's course when there is no possible recovery is appropriate and not at all the same as killing or suicide.

    History of Karen Ann Quinlan and the Memorial Foundation | Karen Ann Quinlan Hospice

    I've done jury duty many times and never been on a murder case. I could not be on a death penalty case because i am pro life and would never be part of a killing except in immediate self defense or th save another person's life.
    I would kill to save my child, myself, or any person. Praying such situation never happens.
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    My opposition to the death penalty is based on evidence. mostly because I have no religion (by the way, the bible recommends. even demands, the death penalty for lots of things we would never consider nowadays: adultery blasphemy, homosexual acts, not honoring your parents or your slave master, etc., etc.). But I digress; it is MUCH less expensive to hold someone in prisn for life than to execute them; the death penalty is not applied evenly with respect to race nad socioeconoic status. Most people don"t realize that until a very few years ago, no "white" person had ever been executed for murdering a "black" person in the 400 years of North American history. But, the best argument against capital punishment is that it illogical to do something which you cannot undo if you make a mistake. I think that many people justify their support of the death penalty because of a desire for vengeance, ratherr than justice. Mant of the people who are executed are poor, mentally challenged, and get very inadequate legal representation (investigate "The Innocence Project" for a real eye-opener!!
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    I am also against the death penalty for the reasons listed above.

    I am OK with early abortions. I believe in life at first breath. I look at these as an unfortunate need. Abortions should not be the choice for birth control. They should be available and the decision needs to be between the woman had her doctor. Outlawing abortions would not make them go away. It would just create another layer of have and have-nots. Late abortion, in my opinion need to have an overwhelming reason to be done. The decision still needs to be medical, not legal.

    Being pro-life has to include assisting people in need. After Irene hit and after Sandy hit I feel it was unacceptable for those law makers in DC to hold hostage the emergency funding needed. Hundreds of thousands were without basic necessities and yet the same hypocrites that waste so much time trying to get anti-abortion legislation passed refused to release funds to help those in immediate need. This kind of attitude creates an atmosphere where some pro-choice people talk about pre-born and pro-fetus getting help but live children are excluded from assistance. Governor Perry is one of the prime examples of this. Of course, in his case, in addition to pushing to not have FEMA funding available (as a governor he did not have personal power to block) he is the person who has pushed more executions than anyone. Number 500 on the same day as he called a second special session to eliminate most of the abortion facilities in TX. He did not want those in need of FEMA funding to get it after the worst storms imaginable but then wanted those funds for a preventable catastrophe in West, TX.

    So, I guess I would call myself "pro-live-life".
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    I am also against the death penalty for the reasons listed above.

    I am OK with early abortions. I believe in life at first breath. I look at these as an unfortunate need. Abortions should not be the choice for birth control. They should be available and the decision needs to be between the woman had her doctor. Outlawing abortions would not make them go away. It would just create another layer of have and have-nots. Late abortion, in my opinion need to have an overwhelming reason to be done. The decision still needs to be medical, not legal.

    Being pro-life has to include assisting people in need. After Irene hit and after Sandy hit I feel it was unacceptable for those law makers in DC to hold hostage the emergency funding needed. Hundreds of thousands were without basic necessities and yet the same hypocrites that waste so much time trying to get anti-abortion legislation passed refused to release funds to help those in immediate need. This kind of attitude creates an atmosphere where some pro-choice people talk about pre-born and pro-fetus getting help but live children are excluded from assistance. Governor Perry is one of the prime examples of this. Of course, in his case, in addition to pushing to not have FEMA funding available (as a governor he did not have personal power to block) he is the person who has pushed more executions than anyone. Number 500 on the same day as he called a second special session to eliminate most of the abortion facilities in TX. He did not want those in need of FEMA funding to get it after the worst storms imaginable but then wanted those funds for a preventable catastrophe in West, TX.

    So, I guess I would call myself "pro-live-life".

    So many other topics introduced intro this pro-life thread.


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